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The code says the boxes have to be secure. How we accomplish that is up to us. We could hole them in place with bubble gum if it made them secure. There are other codes that prevail for rated assemblies that limit the installation options.
 
220/221 said:
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It's funny that you can go so far as to question my integrity when I have to choose my words VERY carefully. No matter how polite or insightful, every post I make will be subject to scrutiny and will take this thread one step closer to being censored.


Integrity has nothing to do with it. It's all about using your brain. No harm, no foul. Why is this requirement in the NEC? No one here knows.
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220/221 said:
I BELIEVE that it's a code violation and I DO accept it. I just don't care.
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Words not chosen carefully enough I guess.

Integrity has alot to do with it when you make statments like this.

Why it's in the code is not the determining factor in whether or not to ingnore the rule.


220/221 said:
If you can tell me how it is dangerous I will consider changing my methods. Simply telling me it's a violation is not enough for ME.
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I guess that sums it up.
 
iwire said:
Dennis Alwon said:
quogueelectric said:
Are madison clips an approved method of attatching a box to sheetrock?
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Not in a fire wall but otherwise they are.
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Source of that info?
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Are you asking where it says they're approved, or where it says they're not allowed for use in fire-rated walls?

(I'm confidant you know the answer to the latter.)
 
LarryFine said:
Are you asking where it says they're approved, or where it says they're not allowed for use in fire-rated walls?

(I'm confidant you know the answer to the latter.)
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All I am saying is that the NEC is not the only code to consider.

No the NEC does not prohibit using mad bars to hold boxes into sheetrock.....but a building code might.

The NEC does not say I can not mount a large wall sconce at 4' AFF but building codes do.

Marc's answer summed it up pretty well.
 
220/221 said:
Why would there be an issue with a service panel outside? Will the snow/rain affect performance?
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It would effect the ability for me to stay dry in the rain if I decided to do a rainy day job around here involving turning off a circuit, or my ablilty to stay warm in the winter if I wanted to do something along the same lines.
 
Fire Alarm said:
It may not be a circuit breaker, it's usually a small switch behind the kick panel with on and off indications marked on it....
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I have never seen that on over hundreds of dw.that I have installed. Is this a new thing?
 
Fire Alarm said:
It may not be a circuit breaker, it's usually a small switch behind the kick panel with on and off indications marked on it....
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?? Never seen one.

Many dishwasher timers do have a marked "off" position, that will suffice as well. I just put a cord on my DW installs, and eliminate all issues.
 
mdshunk said:
?? Never seen one.

Many dishwasher timers do have a marked "off" position, that will suffice as well. I just put a cord on my DW installs, and eliminate all issues.
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I always cord mine up as well, except on tract homes, then I stub out some romex and hardwire.
 
Fire Alarm said:
except on tract homes, then I stub out some romex and hardwire.
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As long as it has this mysterious switch you are talking about, then you can do that. But you need to provide us some solid evidence that this switch exists. ;)
 
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