Service upgrade cost?

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ishium 80439 said:
My first post in this thread tried to deal with the OP. It seems now to have taken a left.

I work in one jurisdiction that does not require in use covers. When I work there I do not intstall them. The county does not have a specific amendment to address this, it is what the inspectors in the field have told me and what they are looking for. Should I be expected to install these unsightly bulbous costly monstrositities (hypebole?;) ) when the AHJ doesn't require them.

We are talking about NEC. What about 90.4?
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Wow. There seems to be quite a bit of questionable integrity flowing through the forum today.

My faith in the trade has dropped a bit this morning and this statement and this thread as whole have certainly helped to push that drop along..
 
Dennis Alwon said:
In NC it is a very common prectice to install an outdoor panel and use the two 2" knockouts out of the back and put a PVC connector or a PVC coupling with the box adapter.

It is not legal by the NEC, however, .
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It's official, NC hates the NEC. :D
 
boboelectric said:
I'll work overhead hot(up to 480),not underground services.
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Around here when we do a service upgrade we pull the meter and bug our new seu to the old seu coming out of the load of the meter. If it is an over head we run the new cable right next to the old cable. The power company comes a later date and replaces the meter and for overhead they connect the new head and cut down the old 1. They do all the overheads hot.
 
In the interest of full disclosure I made the statement about the in use covers to stir the pot. I was working in the juridiction in question on Friday, doing work that did not require a permit (R&R type stuff) and I did replace a broken flat cover with an in use. My point was more that 90.4 allows some inspector discretion and at some point in the areas in question the local AHJ's have permitted these alternative methods. A few months ago I posted a question about installing SER outside and the verdict of whether or not this was an acceptable installation(what constitutes subject to physical damge) seemed to be evenly split dependent on geography. Who was right and who was wrong seems to not be so black and white.
 
There seems to be quite a bit of questionable integrity flowing through the forum today.
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:lol

It's funny that you can go so far as to question my integrity when I have to choose my words VERY carefully. No matter how polite or insightful, every post I make will be subject to scrutiny and will take this thread one step closer to being censored.


Integrity has nothing to do with it. It's all about using your brain. No harm, no foul. Why is this requirement in the NEC? No one here knows.


Back to the OP, the overhead service shown was about $2400 and the underground (on a 2 million dollars house) was about $3200.

Another regional question....kind of on topic.

Why would there be an issue with a service panel outside? Will the snow/rain affect performance?
 
220/221 said:
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Integrity has nothing to do with it. It's all about using your brain. No harm, no foul. Why is this requirement in the NEC? No one here knows.
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Let me ask you this, did you ever try and find out why the requirement is in the NEC? And have you every tried to remove it? I'm quite sure if you submit your proposal once it gets shot down, they will give a description on why it should not be removed...
 
220/221 said:
Another regional question....kind of on topic.

Why would there be an issue with a service panel outside? Will the snow/rain affect performance?
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Weather will not affect the performance. That's been proven time and time again. We do have many outdoor panels here, for instance, many strip malls that don't have an electric room will simply have a 3R landlord panel mounted right next to the meter stack.

But for residential, people here aren't OK with the idea of trudging through snow, or going out in the freezing cold or rain to reset a circuit breaker. Beyond that, we have basements so there is no need to put them outside.
 
I can't believe they are still in use. :rolleyes: Too floppy for me.

I thought they were a bad idea in the early 70's.
 
iwire said:
Source of that info?
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Does everything we use to fasten a box be approved for that purpose? A screw may be approved to hold sheetrock but not to mount a panelboard--remember this discussion. Now I ask you why it needs to be approved if the box is supported in the wall.

Old work boxes have less contact then the madison clips.

Don't get me wrong I haven't used them in years but I do not see why they cannot be used.
 
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