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Smart $ said:
So an employer has a no-smoking on the job policy is looking out for my interests in what way?

No they are looking out for their own interests just as every rule in place is in the end for their protection.

Forcing me to wear boots keep the workers comp payments down and avoids possible OSHA fines.

Forcing you to not smoke while on the clock prevents potential laws suits from fellow employees, possible lost customers do to the customers smoking polices, possible fines from OSHA.

Now maybe you are all that you say, maybe your smoking does not reduce your production level.

However that would be unusual and company rules are made for the majority not the unusual.
 
This is starting to sound like a broken record, I'd like to close this thread in 48 hours. There has not been a new concept brought to the discussion in over five pages, that I can tell.

And I'm aware that this discussion is not going to overhaul Smart's life any more than it is mine, that I know. :D

So, if anybody's got some profound twist to bring to this, by all means, bring it. ;)
 
roger said:
Smart $ said:
Did I mention anything about me breaking the law?
Why did you bring speeding to the table then?
Ummm... still I did not say anything about me breaking the law. I brought up speeding because you brought up car jacking... and the last time I checked (not) car jacking is breaking the law. So is speeding. You took my meaning to an extreme, and I was trying to bring it a bit closer to the issue, without avoiding the legal versus policy issue altogether.

So answer the question, truthfully?

roger said:
Yawn.. Ho Hum...
I wasn't "talking" to you.

roger said:
In my case 32.

Yeah, I always said that too.

Read my last two sentences.

Roger
But now that I am "talking to you, you never did tell me the circumstances under which you quit....?
 
Smart $ said:
Ummm... still I did not say anything about me breaking the law. I brought up speeding because you brought up car jacking... and the last time I checked (not) car jacking is breaking the law. So is speeding. You took my meaning to an extreme, and I was trying to bring it a bit closer to the issue, without avoiding the legal versus policy issue altogether.

So answer the question, truthfully?

I did, go back and read it again, it must be the smoke in your eyes. ;)

I said "laws and rules "


Yawn.. Ho Hum...
I wasn't "talking" to you.

Doesn't matter.


But now that I am "talking to you, you never did tell me the circumstances under which you quit....?

Got tired of stinking, waking up with a pain and wondering if it was cancer, coughing and wondering if it was cancer, going outside in the winter to smoke, offending others yet pretending I wasn't, telling myself I was as productive as the non-smokers etc...

Now, I think you owe Julie an apology.

Roger
 
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iwire said:
Smart $ said:
So an employer has a no-smoking on the job policy is looking out for my interests in what way?
No they are looking out for their own interests...
Exactly. And somewhere along the line, it turns into what's good for the company is good for me. I've heard all the rhetoric before (BS, included).

iwire said:
Now maybe you are all that you say, maybe your smoking does not reduce your production level.

However that would be unusual and company rules are made for the majority not the unusual.
...and that translates to a lose, lose situation in my case.
 
georgestolz said:
This is starting to sound like a broken record, I'd like to close this thread in 48 hours. There has not been a new concept brought to the discussion in over five pages, that I can tell.

And I'm aware that this discussion is not going to overhaul Smart's life any more than it is mine, that I know. :D

So, if anybody's got some profound twist to bring to this, by all means, bring it. ;)

George brings up some good points. :cool:

So there it is, the 48 hour countdown begins.
 
roger said:
I did, go back and read it again, it must be the smoke in your eyes. ;)
Sorry, I missed it. And no it wasn't the smoke in my eyes. I left the smoke outside.

roger said:
Got tired of stinking, waking up with a pain and wondering if it was cancer, coughing and wondering if it was cancer, going outside in the winter to smoke, offending others yet pretending I wasn't, telling myself I was as productive as the non-smokers etc...
I'm glad that is why you quit, i.e. a personal decision and in no way coerced into doing so directly by others. So why don't y'all just back off, get back into your cozy little routines, and let me decide for myself?

roger said:
Now, I think you owe Julie an apology.
...and your comments have exonerated Julie how?
 
Smart $ said:
...and your comments have exonerated Julie how?

Why do you think Julie needs to be exonerated or that any of my comments were meant to do so?

Calling people names (even if only insinuated) is the issue.

Roger
 
roger said:
Why do you think Julie needs to be exonerated or that any of my comments were meant to do so?

Calling people names (even if only insinuated) is the issue.

Roger
...and...
Look -- your excuses are bordering on comical.
...is not to be taken personally? ...further compounded by both iwire and you?

Actually, I didn't catch your remark in time or you would have been included. Consider yourself included.

If you feel I should not take such a remark personally, I think you need to re-evaluate you sense of common courtesy.
 
Sorry, but Julies comment is true.

If you could actually go back and read your posts in an unbiased frame of mind you would agree.


Read
 
48 hour shut off...hmmm. Let me offer a couple of items up.

If you smoke, and are part of a health group, it increases cost as a whole, to everyone under the umbrella.

My mother smoked for twenty seven years and quit at 52, she lived to be 87. Passed on from Leukemia.

My father smoked for 45 years before the doctor told him he had to quit. He developed COPD at 67. The Emphesema robbed years off his life, and had him bed ridden the last two years of his life. He died at 78, from smoking.

I have a sister who has emphasema really bad right now, from smoking for over 35 years, only quit when the doctor told she had too. She's probably only has a few months left. She can barely make it from the bedroom, to the kitchen table. It takes everything she has to dress herself. Even with Oxygen at 3 Litres/minute, the simplest physical tasks take here at least 15 minutes to recover from. I will probably lose my youngest sister at 66, to COPD.

It's a good arguement for smoking, get to retirement age, have the doctor tell you that you must quit smoking, that you've knocked years of your life.

Ooh sure, there is the smoker that makes it to 90+, now and then but shows no symptoms of poor health, but they are the rare exception. Most likely, it won't be you. So argue for smoking all you want, I just want to make sure you consider all the factors, and how much potential it has to shorten your life. Not to mention hospital stays, and inconvienence it places on others.

Sure, it's a freedom arguement, and you can smoke at your home, and car,and where it doesn't matter. I'd just like to see you enjoy as much time on the planet as possible, without shaving years off your life. Why let something steal years off your life here? It's all about choice, I would hope you choose wisely.
 
roger said:
Sorry, but Julies comment is true.

If you could actually go back and read your posts in an unbiased frame of mind you would agree.
I don't believe anyone participating in this discussion can read any of the posts from an unbiased frame of mind.

I could care less if you think my posts are comical. Thinking it and saying it are not the same. Speaking my mind and from my heart, and your idea of being courteous is "kick a guy when he's down". Really tells me what y'all are made of...

All the same, you three are inconsiderate. I do not give a rat's a-hole about what you believe to be true. Short of an apology from all of three of you, none of you will get one from me.
 
Smart $ said:
I don't believe anyone participating in this discussion can read any of the posts from an unbiased frame of mind.

I could care less if you think my posts are comical. Thinking it and saying it are not the same. Speaking my mind and from my heart, and your idea of being courteous is "kick a guy when he's down". Really tells me what y'all are made of...

All the same, you three are inconsiderate. I do not give a rat's a-hole about what you believe to be true. Short of an apology from all of three of you, none of you will get one from me.

So be it. :grin:

Roger
 
Smart $ said:
I don't believe anyone participating in this discussion can read any of the posts from an unbiased frame of mind.

I could care less if you think my posts are comical. Thinking it and saying it are not the same. Speaking my mind and from my heart, and your idea of being courteous is "kick a guy when he's down". Really tells me what y'all are made of...

All the same, you three are inconsiderate. I do not give a rat's a-hole about what you believe to be true. Short of an apology from all of three of you, none of you will get one from me.

I don't think anyone is kicking you when you're down. There's a huge difference between "Hey, you're a stupid smoker!" and what people have written here.

Personally, I smoke. I've smoked off and on for a bit over 30 years and I currently smoke somewhere around half a pack a day. I've smoked more in the past, and even quit for a few years somewhere in there. But if someone doesn't want me smoking in their house, or in their office, or in their car, or wherever, I don't.

I work in a field where stress is the number 1 health problem -- several years ago I went through an entire string of tests, including for such lovelies as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and AIDS, because my GYN couldn't figure out why I'd been ill for the past year or so. As soon as she got around to asking me if I was under much stress, she understood what was wrong -- my immune system had collapsed from work-related stress. Many of my co-workers are on anti-depressants or other stress-related drugs. Me? I smoke and drink and plot to get out of the entire high-tech end of the planet. What I don't do is run around blaming someone else for my decisions.

Am I unsympathetic? No. I've quit cold turkey a few times and know it's hard. I also have friends who've been heroin addicts who tell me that it really is harder than quitting heroin. What I do know is that the symptoms are gone after a few weeks. I've learned to tell people go to hell much better than the last time I quit and I expect that the next time I quit my ability to cope with stress will be improved enough that instead of feeling the need to light up, I'll deal with whatever it is that's being dumped in my lap.

But it's your choice to smoke. Kindly grow up and quit acting like it's someone else's problem.
 
Okay, enough is enough-- I know I have a choice to read these post or not, but what benefit are we having here. This is a code forum--- how then does this fit into what this is all about. We can start a new thread about President Bush's policies(let's not), global warming (maybe some industry connections), and every other political issue out there. I hate to see intelligent individuals reduced to such a low in their lives. The thread is out of hand at this point and I believe, for what that is worth, it should be closed. NOW
 
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tallgirl said:
Many of my co-workers are on anti-depressants or other stress-related drugs. Me? I smoke and drink and plot to get out of the entire high-tech end of the planet.

There is a comical song that states:

I would rather have a bottle in front of me
Than have a frontal lobotomy
 
tallgirl said:
I don't think anyone is kicking you when you're down. There's a huge difference between "Hey, you're a stupid smoker!" and what people have written here.
It's not what you think that matters when you insult a person. My concern is not what posters in general have written... it's what you wrote here.

tallgirl said:
Personally, I smoke. I've smoked off and on for a bit over 30 years and I currently smoke somewhere around half a pack a day. I've smoked more in the past, and even quit for a few years somewhere in there.
You see here is what makes the big difference between you and I, as smokers. You've smoked off and on for over 30 years. There has been no off for me. The closest I've come to "off" is cutting down, and that's it. And technically you didn't quit for a few years... you only stopped smoking. They are not the same. Perhaps this is what you meant by, "You really can quit any time you want, put up with all the those horrible symptoms for about 2 or 3 weeks, and then be done with it for the rest of your life." As it stands you have now made yourself appear hypocritical.


tallgirl said:
But if someone doesn't want me smoking in their house, or in their office, or in their car, or wherever, I don't.
I do the same. That's not the issue. The issue is someone telling me I can't go where I can smoke when I so choose to. Even if I'm permitted to go, extending the distance I have to go isn't any different... such as I can't smoke anywhere on the property, including outside.

tallgirl said:
I work in a field where stress is the number 1 health problem -- several years ago I went through an entire string of tests, including for such lovelies as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and AIDS, because my GYN couldn't figure out why I'd been ill for the past year or so. As soon as she got around to asking me if I was under much stress, she understood what was wrong -- my immune system had collapsed from work-related stress. Many of my co-workers are on anti-depressants or other stress-related drugs. Me? I smoke and drink and plot to get out of the entire high-tech end of the planet. What I don't do is run around blaming someone else for my decisions.
Are you insinuating that I'm blaming my decision to smoke on others? If you are, you are most definitely way off base.

As to your problem and stress in general, I believe stress can take more years off one's life than smoking. So where are all the health nuts on this issue? Kinda hard to attack the abstract isn't it? I learned how to cope with stress long ago. I forget that it requires a conscious effort in doing so after a spell of going stress free, but it's a lot like riding a bicycle (not that I've gotten on a bicycle anytime lately, but at least it's the correct clich? ;) )

tallgirl said:
Am I unsympathetic? No. I've quit cold turkey a few times and know it's hard. I also have friends who've been heroin addicts who tell me that it really is harder than quitting heroin. What I do know is that the symptoms are gone after a few weeks. I've learned to tell people go to hell much better than the last time I quit and I expect that the next time I quit my ability to cope with stress will be improved enough that instead of feeling the need to light up, I'll deal with whatever it is that's being dumped in my lap.

But it's your choice to smoke. Kindly grow up and quit acting like it's someone else's problem.
Now you gotta take insult to the injury level. Who's the one that needs to grow up here?

I'm not acting. I am the person I choose to be. If becoming someone I am not is a part of growing up, I kindly refuse to do so. My smoking is very much a part of me. To have anything to do with me, you get the whole package, not just the parts you like. It's the way it is, like it or not.
 
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