So obviously I think I'm right and my lead is wrong.

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210.52(D) states that a Receptacle "Outlet" must be provided for 'Each' basin.

Didn't say anything about not being able to share the same outlet
 
I am surprised that they still allow the 3' measurement to cross a sink. I really don't think that is the intent but there is no wording to suggest you can't do it. My guess is that in most cases the distance from one sink crossing another will generally be more than 3'
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I am surprised that they still allow the 3' measurement to cross a sink. I really don't think that is the intent but there is no wording to suggest you can't do it. My guess is that in most cases the distance from one sink crossing another will generally be more than 3'
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That was my thought as well.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I am surprised that they still allow the 3' measurement to cross a sink. I really don't think that is the intent but there is no wording to suggest you can't do it. My guess is that in most cases the distance from one sink crossing another will generally be more than 3'
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I don't know if they allow or not, I've only been doing this kind of work since 7 March of this year. I'm a 1st year apprentice. I just don't think my lead was right putting a recep 1 foot from shower. We have never put them in mirror in these cookie cutters since I've been here.
 
Sea Nile said:
So there is a double basin vanity and my lead said there has to be outlets on either side so both sinks have their own receptacle. But I said the prints don't show an receptacle on the right side and if you put one there it would be a violation. Too close to the bathtub.

He said don't worry the inspector will pass it.

I said ok, you're the lead, but I think it's wrong.View attachment 2561852

Not the first time I've pointed out something that I knew was wrong and was told that that's the way we do it here.

The other one that comes to mind is not bonding the rebar that comes up out of the slab inside the wall in the garage.

But what do I know, I'm just an apprentice.
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I would take this as an opportunity to have a discussion with your j man. The ansawer will be in the details. Ask to see the detail page for that vanity. Since it's a multi family I will assume there is more than just one two bowl vanity detail. For the one posted you can go to that detail and find your ansawer. If not an RFI can resolve. No for a what if. What if there is an ADA detail. Now where do you place the receptacle outlet(s).
I would like to rough in now verse later. The detail page would also show elevations and back splash detail for placement if an additional one or move existing is required. If a issue is found get GC involved and let him do his job.
I would not want my insp at finish go you have an issue and say I know and did nothing. At this point it's just a question. Later it will be a matter of money@ x times units.
The placement in the side wall can pact the number so make sure the box is located on the side wall to get the 3'. It's an angle thing so watch C. Look at your pic. You can change the number by moving the ox as to measure straight across or an x axis. With a round or oval bowl C will only become larger as a & b are changed with A fixed.
So base A in the X axis of the bowls. Then if one is good there all good. A will be the width /2. Just food for thought will you decide where to place. Your insp will lay his tape measure at the wall where the box is and measure straight across (C) to the rim of the bowl.

We have these type of discussions all the time at work and I encourage it. I want my guys informed as long as it's productive. I like to dispel, the saying " that is what I was told".
 

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Why do we even need this 3' limit in the NEC? I doubt that there was any major substantiation for this change. The area outside of the edge of the tub or shower is a dry location so why a receptacle cannot occupy that space is beyond me. This is just another example of NEC bloat. The direction that the NEC has been heading in the past few cycles is deplorable. I think that it's time to get some new blood on the CMP's.
 
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Why do we even need this 3' limit in the NEC? I doubt that there was any major substantiation for this change. The area outside of the edge of the tub or shower is a dry location so why a receptacle cannot occupy that space is beyond me.
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I believe the 3' represents a typical arm's reach.
 
Tulsa Electrician said:
We have these type of discussions all the time at work and I encourage it. I want my guys informed as long as it's productive. I like to dispel, the saying " that is what I was told".
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Like your comment -

Don't get me wrong, I like to argue code because it's fun for me and I like for the people I work with to be able to justify why they do what they do. It makes me better and it makes them better. There is no animosity between me and my journey, we love bantering about the code and everything else. In a lot of ways, however, it seems like I know more about the code than a lot of people at work. But this is in no way a heated argument at work.
 
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