Wet Romex Usable?

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I would recommend that they replace the wire. They will say no. At that moment hand them a waiver of your liability. That way you are covered.

It may also pay to ask the inspector as he may want it replaced no matter what.

Tim
 
SmithBuilt said:
I would recommend that they replace the wire. They will say no. At that moment hand them a waiver of your liability. That way you are covered.

It may also pay to ask the inspector as he may want it replaced no matter what.

Tim
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"hand them a waiver of your liability. That way you are covered."

Did you get that advice from an attorney, in most states you can't reduce your liability, by asking for a waver.

If he had a good contract, it will will spell out the terms of liability, and the liability limits.
 
satcom said:
Did you get that advice from an attorney, in most states you can't reduce your liability, by asking for a waver.
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Quite right, as they are not signatory to such an agreement. Just delivering a notice is not legally binding. Here are examples of notices that are not legally binding:

Parking Lot: Read this notice. We are not liable for lost or stolen items.
Restaurant: We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

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Fire Alarm said:
There are two kinds of electricians on this forum: Theoretical Electricians who have little real world experience wiring structures and Practical Electricians who've been there and done that.
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How about a third: Ones who are so set in their ways that they cannot be swayed by fact.
 
That's interesting. As I have signed many in my life.

When we have a concrete truck out to the site and I have to sign stating that the truck may damage driveways, walks, pipes, ect.

Or how about the dentist. We may break your jaw in the process of removing your wisdom teeth. But heres the waiver.

Of course if your find yourself in front of a jury everything is out and anyone could be liable.

I would still prefer to have a signed (perhaps worthless, I will not disagree with that) waiver stating that "I" recommended the wiring to be removed. If they choose not to sign you may consider not taking the job unless you feel completely comfortable.

Tim
 
Fire Alarm said:
Have any of you guys ever actually wired a house? Thousands of houses every year get framed and rough wired and then get rained on for days at a time.
Any Practical Electrician will tell you that water does not destroy NM cable, the Theoreticians will believe otherwise.
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We tend to find it more practical to have the house dried in before we wire them. It doesn' matter if there is a little rain because there is a roof on the house.

It's not the electrician that gets to rate wire for wet locations it is the manufacturer.
 
mkgrady said:
When a house gets soaked from a leaking heating system is the NM cable still usable if it got soaked?
The boiler was on the top floor and developed a leak. All the ceilings and most of the walls were ruined and are being demoed in this four story house.
Does the place need to be rewired?
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Most of the one's I have seen where there was just a leak the wiring does not need replaced because it's not the same as a flood that saturates the wire over a peroid of time.

The real problem can be all the damage that they do during the demo.

I normally do what I think is the best all around repair. If it's easier to rewire then it's a rewire.

It doesn't take much moisture for the sheetrock to get replaced anymore because of the fear of mold. A few years ago they would just let a lot of the minor problems ( leaks) dry out and paint over them.
 
Think about this. How many guys drive pickup with NM cable riding in the back. Bad idea maybe but I don't belive that water damage will destroy the intergrity of NM cable. Panel box, electrical equipment, breakers, etc--- yes but not nm cable. It will dry out.

The wire inside the sheathing is thwn if it is the new romex. Even the old cloth cable had TW in it. Water should not affect it.
 
Fire Alarm said:
Have any of you guys ever actually wired a house? Thousands of houses every year get framed and rough wired and then get rained on for days at a time.

Thousands of electricians keep Romex in the bed of their trucks exposed to the elements for weeks before being installed in someone's house.

I've installed Romex that was actually submerged underwater and never experienced any problems.

There are two kinds of electricians on this forum: Theoretical Electricians who have little real world experience wiring structures and Practical Electricians who've been there and done that.

Any Practical Electrician will tell you that water does not destroy NM cable, the Theoreticians will believe otherwise.
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Wow! Alot of us have actually wired a house. You forgot to mention the third kind of electricians: theoretical electricians who have real world experience and also who have been there and done that. Thousands of electricians do alot of things they shouldn't that doesn't make it right.
You might not have a problem now but what about a few years from now? What If water gets in and corrodes the grounding conductor? Not to mention the code violations, 110.11 deteriorating agents also covers liquids, uses not permitted 334.12(B)(4).
Maybe Im just one of the few who actually follows this crazy book.:)
 
The Iceman said:
Wow! Alot of us have actually wired a house. You forgot to mention the third kind of electricians: theoretical electricians who have real world experience and also who have been there and done that. Thousands of electricians do alot of things they shouldn't that doesn't make it right.
You might not have a problem now but what about a few years from now? What If water gets in and corrodes the grounding conductor? Not to mention the code violations, 110.11 deteriorating agents also covers liquids, uses not permitted 334.12(B)(4).
Maybe Im just one of the few who actually follows this crazy book.:)
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water does not corrode the grounding conductor
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I read it --- do I get a prize or at least a star????? :grin:
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The Iceman said:
Wow! Alot of us have actually wired a house. You forgot to mention the third kind of electricians: theoretical electricians who have real world experience and also who have been there and done that. Thousands of electricians do alot of things they shouldn't that doesn't make it right.
You might not have a problem now but what about a few years from now? What If water gets in and corrodes the grounding conductor? Not to mention the code violations, 110.11 deteriorating agents also covers liquids, uses not permitted 334.12(B)(4).
Maybe Im just one of the few who actually follows this crazy book.:)
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The electricians that think they have all the answers, because they did a few jobs, and picked up a few wiring methods, yet let NM cable sit in side a truck bed, to get wet or cut up, and not understand just how it can be damaged, they just don;t understand how deterioration agents in water can destroy the wire.
 
satcom said:
Intresting, would you care to see pictures ?
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yes,copper is a nobel metal and resestant to corrosion from water that is why it is used as flashing material on roofs and if you walk out to the nearest utility pole you can see it ran exposed and on the underside of meterbases
 
satcom said:
The electricians that think they have all the answers, because they did a few jobs, and picked up a few wiring methods, yet let NM cable sit in side a truck bed, to get wet or cut up, and not understand just how it can be damaged, they just don;t understand how deterioration agents in water can destroy the wire.
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Yes, and don't try to teach 'em anything new, either. They assign no more significance to a roll of wire in the back of the truck than to a garden hose...just throw it in the back of the truck 'til ya need it.....:confused:
 
lpelectric said:
Yes, and don't try to teach 'em anything new, either. They assign no more significance to a roll of wire in the back of the truck than to a garden hose...just throw it in the back of the truck 'til ya need it.....:confused:
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I don't understand what the problem would be :-? :-? Never read of a caution on a roll of NM to keep out of rain, and the NEC accepts it getting wet? Whats the prob????
 
The Iceman said:
Wow! Alot of us have actually wired a house. You forgot to mention the third kind of electricians: theoretical electricians who have real world experience and also who have been there and done that. Thousands of electricians do alot of things they shouldn't that doesn't make it right.
You might not have a problem now but what about a few years from now? What If water gets in and corrodes the grounding conductor? Not to mention the code violations, 110.11 deteriorating agents also covers liquids, uses not permitted 334.12(B)(4).
Maybe Im just one of the few who actually follows this crazy book.:)
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So, if you rough wired a house, and it rained the next day and all your NM cable became soaked, you'd pull it all out and start from scratch?
 
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