What I did today

[Sea Nile]

Most of the ones we install are these combination types.

Before anyone points it out, ever since the inspector pointed this out, I never put the red conductor on the left side anymore.

I know it doesn't matter for single phase, but I want to develop good habits.

 

[ptonsparky]

Most of the ones we install are these combination types.

Before anyone points it out, ever since the inspector pointed this out, I never put the red conductor on the left side anymore.

I know it doesn't matter for single phase, but I want to develop good habits.

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I don't know why the inspector even mentioned it. He must have wanted to chit chat. Maybe lonely.

 

[Rick 0920]

Most of the ones we install are these combination types.

Before anyone points it out, ever since the inspector pointed this out, I never put the red conductor on the left side anymore.

I know it doesn't matter for single phase, but I want to develop good habits.

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When they put the finish material, (stucco, brick, siding) on the outside, are you in violation by no longer having the 1/4" required air space for wet location enclosures and cabinets?

 

[Little Bill]

When they put the finish material, (stucco, brick, siding) on the outside, are you in violation by no longer having the 1/4" required air space for wet location enclosures and cabinets?

The cabinets have a 1/4" (reverse dimple) raised bump on the back. That takes care of the requirement.

 

[James L]

The cabinets have a 1/4" (reverse dimple) raised bump on the back. That takes care of the requirement.

I think he means if you put the meter on the OSB sheathing, then stucco gets applied, covering the dimple and another ½" of the can.

 

[ActionDave]

There is no reason you can't put the red conductor on the left side. I do it sometimes just to annoy the pickers of nits.

 

[curt swartz]

If this is an apartment building where is the service equipment for the apartments? Why is this service separate?

 

[Sea Nile]

Well, he asked me if I was studying the code and he just wanted to show me how I would arrange them if it were a 3 phase. Nice old man, looked to be in his 80s or 90s

 

[Rick 0920]

I think he means if you put the meter on the OSB sheathing, then stucco gets applied, covering the dimple and another ½" of the can.

Yes. That's exactly what I meant. If the stucco is applied to where it seals around the enclosures, have you lost your space for air movement or are the 1/4" dimples on the enclosures against the sheathing still considered as adequate for airspace?

 

[Sea Nile]

BTW, vinyl siding, not stucco. Single family dwelling, not apartment.

 

[qcroanoke]

Yes. That's exactly what I meant. If the stucco is applied to where it seals around the enclosures, have you lost your space for air movement or are the 1/4" dimples on the enclosures against the sheathing still considered as adequate for airspace?

I would say yes, you've lost your airspace. Whether it would get flagged is another story.

 

[LarryFine]

If this is an apartment building where is the service equipment for the apartments? Why is this service separate?

Most of the house loads (laundry, added outside lights, the cameras) are presently on apt. 11's panel. I don't know the arrangement between the landlord and tenant.

There is a two-circuit panel that supplies inside and outside common-area lighting, which I will re-feed from the new panel at the end of the lighting wiring closest to it.

 

[James L]

I would say yes, you've lost your airspace. Whether it would get flagged is another story.

I concur

 

[wwhitney]

Yes. That's exactly what I meant. If the stucco is applied to where it seals around the enclosures, have you lost your space for air movement or are the 1/4" dimples on the enclosures against the sheathing still considered as adequate for airspace?

The stucco would be part of the wall, so for a metallic, surface-type enclosure, you'd need to maintain 1/4" between the stucco and the sides of the enclosure. The dimples take care of the 1/4" between the wall and the back of the enclosure, assuming the wall is flat there.

Cheers, Wayne

 

[hillbilly1]

Yes. That's exactly what I meant. If the stucco is applied to where it seals around the enclosures, have you lost your space for air movement or are the 1/4" dimples on the enclosures against the sheathing still considered as adequate for airspace?

I had a special solar rated combo that was made to be recessed. It had a flange all the way around, so half of the enclosure was recessed into the wall. So I don’t see any way it could have an air gap. I think the air gap requirement is to allow any moisture that gets behind the enclosure to evaporate, if it is sealed, no moisture can get back there.

 

[hillbilly1]

What I don’t get, is in poultry houses down here, they put the panels inside. It is a very corrosive atmosphere inside the houses, and the panels and connections corrode fairly quick.

 

[wwhitney]

I had a special solar rated combo that was made to be recessed.

Then it's not a "surface-type enclosure," which is what the 312.2 requirement applies to.

Cheers, Wayne

 

[hillbilly1]

It’s

Then it's not a "surface-type enclosure," which is what the 312.2 requirement applies to.

Cheers, Wayne

not a flush mount either.

 

[Tulsa Electrician]

I think it looks great, with one exception.
The lines on the male adapters don't line up.

Seriously, look nice.

 

[qcroanoke]

I think it looks great, with one exception.
The lines on the male adapters don't line up.

Seriously, look nice.

Glue set up to quick.....