rwreuter;1126197[COLOR=black said:]...........[/COLOR]if you don't do it what can or will happen?
I can understand that if at that seperate structure you are not setting up a grounding electrode system, ie 2 ground rods and water main.
I am building a house in a county where NO RULES exist, no permits, no inspections, no code.
Technically I can do what I want but I don't understand the rational for the change in the NEC. I have wired hundreds of houses and have never heard of any problems, especially when wiring a detached garage with a grounding electrode system.
Just what does that 4th wire do? Does it create a back up to the back up (ie ground rods and water main)?
Do you guys understand where I am coming from and my predicament?[/quote]
The rules exist, you may just choose to ignore them.
Frankly, I do not understand your predicament. Install the equipment ground conductor and move on.
I am not sure where you live, but your jurisdiction may not even follow the '08 NEC. If not, then you are fretting for no reason. Check to see which rules do not exist in your area.
P.S. You are an airplane mechanic and a licensed electrician, I think your training should have prepared you to understand the importance of following requirements...whether we like them or not.
Just what does that 4th wire do? Does it create a back up to the back up (ie ground rods and water main)?
Do you guys understand where I am coming from and my predicament?
I can understand that if at that seperate structure you are not setting up a grounding electrode system, ie 2 ground rods and water main.
I am building a house in a county where NO RULES exist, no permits, no inspections, no code.
The problem that I have is the electric co-op will not set or allow meters to be attached to the house. So I have to have a remote meter and disconnect. The new NEC now requires (where as in the past you could just run URD Triplex from the 200 amp disconnect (if of course no metal connected the two) and drive two ground rods and attach a bond to the water main if there was a metal one.
Technically I can do what I want but I don't understand the rational for the change in the NEC. I have wired hundreds of houses and have never heard of any problems, especially when wiring a detached garage with a grounding electrode system.
Just what does that 4th wire do? Does it create a back up to the back up (ie ground rods and water main)?
Do you guys understand where I am coming from and my predicament?
Its not a problem until you have a problem then you will have a problem, insurance adjusters know their is a NEC
My point exactly!!!
That is one reason why I am looking into this. There are no rules but there are rules. No one cares that you don't do something that is not required until there is a problem.
If I can look at this and understand it for what it is, either good or frivolous (ie I have a better chance at winning the lottery) then I can make a decision, right or wrong at least it will be an informed decision.
There is help in a multitude of counselors.
Who are you to make a decision on this?? It should be done to code. If you're on 05' then you can still do it your way......if you're on 08' then you can't. There's no decision, do it right. Period.
It is just as likely, or maybe more likely, that things didn't run fine each and every time before. That is why the changes come about.LISTEN PLEASE....
this is a new code requirement, obviously things ran fine before they placed this into existance...
Sumner County Kansas, no rules, I could wire the house in knob and tube wiring if I wanted.
My point exactly!!!
That is one reason why I am looking into this. There are no rules but there are rules. No one cares that you don't do something that is not required until there is a problem.
If I can look at this and understand it for what it is, either good or frivolous (ie I have a better chance at winning the lottery) then I can make a decision, right or wrong at least it will be an informed decision.
There is help in a multitude of counselors.
So I have to have a remote meter and disconnect.