Wiregirl
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Okay true I should put that info on the title. Thank you.
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Would you allow your helper to do this
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luckylerado
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What is your role? Seems like action should be taken if unsafe conditions exist.
I agree. Standing on the bucket is a no no.
You still can't see what he is doing with his hands or if the panel is live.
Wiregirl
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My role is a card holding journeyperson but I am not the person working with this helper
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Wiregirl
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Would you allow your helper to do this
How can I prove to you that the panel is live? Lol electricity is invisible but I guess I'm just being a complainer indeed. Next time if ever I will show all detail
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How can I prove to you that the panel is live? Lol electricity is invisible but I guess I'm just being a complainer indeed. Next time if ever I will show all detail
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luckylerado
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Are you afraid to rock the boat? It sucks but if you feel strongly about safety you should speak up. We (GC) empower everyone to stop work perceived to be unsafe at any time and for any reason. If this dude gets blinded by an arcflash you will feel way worse than telling him to get a freaking ladder and put on some PPE. Leadership is a quality that is hard to find. Either that or get off your damn cell phone and get back to work.
You can't nor am I asking for it. But it might have been helpful to have thrown in that minor detail when asking your original question.
Wiregirl
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Okay I understand. I'm trying to figure out how to edit on IPhone but no luck. Installing Pro
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petersonra
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I am not sure it matters any if the panel is live or not if he is just standing in front of it.
He might well be outside of the arc flash radius.
He might well be outside of the arc flash radius.
Don't worry. Water under the bridge. Move forward, not back.
luckylerado
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Just for fun this is from your web page:
"We at XYZ are committed to providing a safe workplace for our employees as we move towards our goal of Zero Incidents or Accidents. Ensuring the safety and health of our employees, our customers and the public is our fundamental priority. As an integrated services company, we uphold this value in the same way that we ensure the quality of our work by implementing rigorous controls through every phase of our projects. Training is the key to preventing accidents and incidents. Our employees receive extensive training on how to perform their jobs safely, properly and in compliance with environmental regulations. Our health, safety and environmental program also benefits our customers. With our rigorous safety program our customers can be confident that they have a capable, safety-focused, well-trained and committed team on the job."
Full disclosure I have lost someone in my family to an industrial accident that could and should have been prevented and it is not a good feeling.
"We at XYZ are committed to providing a safe workplace for our employees as we move towards our goal of Zero Incidents or Accidents. Ensuring the safety and health of our employees, our customers and the public is our fundamental priority. As an integrated services company, we uphold this value in the same way that we ensure the quality of our work by implementing rigorous controls through every phase of our projects. Training is the key to preventing accidents and incidents. Our employees receive extensive training on how to perform their jobs safely, properly and in compliance with environmental regulations. Our health, safety and environmental program also benefits our customers. With our rigorous safety program our customers can be confident that they have a capable, safety-focused, well-trained and committed team on the job."
Full disclosure I have lost someone in my family to an industrial accident that could and should have been prevented and it is not a good feeling.
Even if he is working in the panel, we don't know what voltage it is or what ampacity the panel is.
If its a 208V panel fed from a small 45KVA transformer, the required arc flash protective equipment may not be much more than he has on.
It's just hard to say without more details.
petersonra
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- Northern illinois
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- engineer
are short sleeve shirts allowed?
If he is working on a energized panel then he needs to be properly trained and attired. If not then it is OK as he is.
I would say NO to bucket as a ladder.
Tools in the back pocket, we do it most of the time.
Water bottle in the panel, I would not worry about it. Some may have an issue with it.
I would say NO to bucket as a ladder.
Tools in the back pocket, we do it most of the time.
Water bottle in the panel, I would not worry about it. Some may have an issue with it.
I don't know (and I did say he may not need much more than he has on.)
If its a Cat 0, I'm not sure if short sleeves are allowed or not. What does the chart say?
All in all, the difference between short and long sleeves seems pretty minor if its a Cat 0.
Can't tell if he has safety glasses - I would worry more about that than a long sleeve shirt.
gadfly56
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- Professional Engineer, Fire & Life Safety
If you blow up the first picture I can't see any evidence of the temples for a pair of glasses so I would lean towards "no" on the question of safety glasses being in use. I wonder about the shoes as well, but I know there are sneakers with steel toes on the market so I'd say "benefit of the doubt" on safety shoes, depending of course on whether company/work site policy requires them.
luckylerado
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The biggest hazard and it truly is a hazard that I am taking away from this whole thread is the complacency of the people around this person. If I were your employer, I would be livid with you wiregirl for sneaking photos of this cat and not doing anything about it but broadcasting it to the world. Please take this as constructive criticism and not a personal bashing because I venture to say that everyone went home last night safe and sound. This industry has a lack of leadership IMO and too often things go unsaid and bad habits are allowed to fester and become systemic. Be a leader and I can almost assure you that if your employer is worth his salt they will support you in stepping up when the people around you need guidance in doing the right thing.
gadfly56
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- New Jersey
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- Professional Engineer, Fire & Life Safety
Wiregirl indicated this was not her apprentice, leaving open the question of whether they in fact work for the same company. I'd take another look at that conclusion before jumping there.
One of the safety proceedures we were lecture on at most sites is that you should report ANYTHING that is or may be unsafe regardless of who is involved. Even if not under your authority or even in your field - report it. I totally agree with that.
ggunn
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I know a guy who is a master electrician who once stepped up onto a full bucket of conduit lube where the top was not secured and was not centered. His foot went into the bucket, causing him to lose his balance and fall over. The bucket went over as well and the lube dumped onto the floor between his legs, soaking his pants (et. al). Apparently that stuff is pretty caustic and it gave him some pretty painful chemical burns on some very sensitive parts of his body.
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