Would you allow your helper to do this

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ggunn said:
I know a guy who is a master electrician who once stepped up onto a full bucket of conduit lube where the top was not secured and was not centered. His foot went into the bucket, causing him to lose his balance and fall over. The bucket went over as well and the lube dumped onto the floor between his legs, soaking his pants (et. al). Apparently that stuff is pretty caustic and it gave him some pretty painful chemical burns on some very sensitive parts of his body.
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I dunno, I think someone was yanking your chain. This is the SDS for Ideal Aqua-Gel II. Doesn't look like it's caustic per Section 2 under "Physical Hazards".
 
gadfly56 said:
I dunno, I think someone was yanking your chain. This is the SDS for Ideal Aqua-Gel II. Doesn't look like it's caustic per Section 2 under "Physical Hazards".
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Years ago when I helped pull wire, I'd have the wire soap all over my hands and arms before by the time a large pull was over. And I never had any problems with it - usually just wiped it off with a rag when we were finished and maybe got to wash it off at the next break.

However, I could see some people might be more sensitive to it. It could cause an allergic reaction or something similar.

And the SDS you posted does list a treatment for skin contact and it says to remove contaminated clothing.....
 
He's doing the robot..... every apprentice I ever had did that.... for the first 10 minutes of their career that is.
After the introduction to a good journeyman or master that disease will go away quickly.


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ggunn said:
I know a guy who is a master electrician who once stepped up onto a full bucket of conduit lube where the top was not secured and was not centered. His foot went into the bucket, causing him to lose his balance and fall over. The bucket went over as well and the lube dumped onto the floor between his legs, soaking his pants (et. al). Apparently that stuff is pretty caustic and it gave him some pretty painful chemical burns on some very sensitive parts of his body.
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Is there a video on Youtube? That's sounds like it would be hilarious to watch. :)
 
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luckylerado said:
The biggest hazard and it truly is a hazard that I am taking away from this whole thread is the complacency of the people around this person. If I were your employer, I would be livid with you wiregirl for sneaking photos of this cat and not doing anything about it but broadcasting it to the world. Please take this as constructive criticism and not a personal bashing because I venture to say that everyone went home last night safe and sound. This industry has a lack of leadership IMO and too often things go unsaid and bad habits are allowed to fester and become systemic. Be a leader and I can almost assure you that if your employer is worth his salt they will support you in stepping up when the people around you need guidance in doing the right thing.
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OK Lets have a picture of YOU doing it the CORRECT way YOU think how it should be done....

Prove your point.
 
gadfly56 said:
I dunno, I think someone was yanking your chain. This is the SDS for Ideal Aqua-Gel II. Doesn't look like it's caustic per Section 2 under "Physical Hazards".
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There may have been something else in the bucket other than lube. Whatever it was, I saw some of the less personal chemical burns.
 
Back in the 70's (and 80's) most of the people I worked around would not have given a 2nd thought working in that panel as shown in the picture while live.

It reminds me of things we did as kids in the 50's and 60's that now are considered "dangerous".

Personally, I would not have a problem working in that panel. But, I'm an old fart and never had the "safety" training.

Just sayin.
 
Besoeker said:
One of the safety proceedures we were lecture on at most sites is that you should report ANYTHING that is or may be unsafe regardless of who is involved. Even if not under your authority or even in your field - report it. I totally agree with that.
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I would like to add: what is wrong with asking us about it if you have any uncertainty about something before making a fool of yourself?

Only thing OP did wrong was post a photo but provide no details of what can't be seen (primarily whether the panel is energized or not).

Use of a tool belt or even steel toe shoes has no impact on what was being asked about, safety glasses however do belong in the conversation.
 
Buckets are not ladders. Even if he doesnt fall into a (live) panel, panel edges, steel studs, etc. are sharp as all.

btw, why scratch out the phone number in one pic and leave it in another? :huh:
 
Fulthrotl said:
others will weigh in on this one, but there is something
called NFPA 70 e.... arc flash hazards in the workplace...

i see exposed energized bus bar..... that may pose a problem.
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If he's standing in front of the panel without wearing PPE wouldn't that mean the panels not energized?

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luckylerado said:
If I were your employer, I would be livid with you wiregirl for sneaking photos of this cat and not doing anything about it but broadcasting it to the world.
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Who said she did nothing?

Wiregirl said:
...but nobody's listening to me.
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Evidently she tried but as she posted they are refusing to listen. Perhaps some suggestions about alternative steps would be more helpful.
 
rt66electric said:
OK Lets have a picture of YOU doing it the CORRECT way YOU think how it should be done....

Prove your point.
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My comments go beyond what I see in the pictures provided my frustration stems from some of the responses that I have seen. By far not the most hazardous situation that I have seen people expose themselves including myself before a rude awakening.

My point is proven ever single day on job sites around the world. When someone gets mamed by moving equipment or burned by an arc flash or slingshotted out of a bucket truck suddenly my point becomes abundantly clear to the workers and familys and employers affected. Maintaining a safe work environment is the responsibility of everyone in the workforce from the guy sweeping up to the project manager. Mistakes and shortcuts are always going to happen and especially when young people are learning the trades but there needs to be people willing to step up and lead by example and create a culture of safety first because my life or your life could be dependent upon what someone else is doing on the other side of the wall.

The attitude too often is, " hey there is the safety guy, hurry put your safety glasses on before he sees you." or "hey keep watch while I climb up on that ductwork" when it should be "Put your safety glasses on and get off that ductwork or we do not need you on this jobsite"

You just never know when something awful is going to happen and it is tragic when something does that could have been easily been prevented.

My Point
 
Besoeker said:
One of the safety proceedures we were lecture on at most sites is that you should report ANYTHING that is or may be unsafe regardless of who is involved. Even if not under your authority or even in your field - report it. I totally agree with that.
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In nuclear power plant culture it is stressed that you approach, if safe to do so, and advise [read: coach] the person or persons involved. If the result is not satisfactory or approach is not safe, then report it to your immediate supervisor. The supervisor is supposed to report back until the situation is resolved. Yes, many a person have been escorted to the gates.
 
Why and how is everyone soo sure its energized? I dont see any meters or any other tool to indicate that, that panel is in fact energized. And what year helper? 1st yr no even if its to "guard" the breakers from being turned on, 3rd or 4th year maybe depending on the helper as an individual. And thats not the typical company issued cheap hard hat so are we even sure he is a helper? But at the end of the day our profession is inhearently dangerous and not for the faint of heart. As for tools in the pocket, a good electrician will always have at least a pair of lineman pliers and a flat and phillips screwdriver in their pocket.
 
Its going to be sad in 30yrs and no one knows how to work hot safely... "Sorry we have to shut down your entire restarsunt to replace the 20amp breaker for you toaster..." I agree safety is absolutely important but there must be a ballance all these young men and women coming up through the ranks that are not learning how to work energized safely are extremely ill-prepared. Like sending a soldier into battle with teaching them to keep their head down.... Too much safety like too much of anything is foolish.
 
K8MHZ said:
Until they forget they are there and when they sit in their Z-28, one of the screwdrivers poke a hole in the seat.

I must not be a good electrician, I never carry tools in my back pockets.
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Not sure what kind of person would not make sure their tools are accountrd for and put away before jumping in their vehicle to go home. Even when i was a superintendant i always had those tools in my pocket. In fact i can do more with those 3 tools than most can with a whole box of every electrical tool on the market. J/S
 
cloudibew said:
Not sure what kind of person would not make sure their tools are accountrd for and put away before jumping in their vehicle to go home. Even when i was a superintendant i always had those tools in my pocket. In fact i can do more with those 3 tools than most can with a whole box of every electrical tool on the market. J/S
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Some car dealerships won't allow techs to have tools in their back pockets. Big money fix to tear up a seat on a new car. That was the rule when I work there.

Then I came into the electrical trade and it was the norm to have a screwdriver in a back pocket. Eventually, it was for me, too, until one hot summer day. We were working near the boilers in a power plant and it was nasty hot. We didn't punch clocks, so at quitting time we threw our stuff in the gang box and bee lined it to the parking lot. On that particular day, all I was thinking about was getting my T-tops off my Z-28 and cruising Lake Michigan Drive on the way home. I forgot about the screwdriver in my back pocket and put a small hole in the seat. Luckily it was real small, but it could have been worse. Nonetheless, it was no more tools in the back pocket for me. I suddenly realized why the dealerships had the rule.
 
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