child proof recepts being required!?

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Do they come in 'right-side-up' too? :D :D
 
Think about what the price of these will be when they have to be made in a Tamper Resistant model?

I know the quantity price break will mean alot when buying them.;)

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Part Number 110-439

Price:$147.72 EA (1-3)

Quantity Price:$140.33 EA (4 +)


What's the average fool going to do when these go up in price? :D

Roger
 
iwire said:
Roger do have any info on where I can get audio grade AFCIs? :D
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Not right this minute, but I'll get on it. :grin:

Roger
 
raider1 said:
Mark if you look real close at the slots you will see that there are "shutters" installed within the slots that won't open unless pressure is applied to both slots at the same time.

Chris
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So the arent to child proff if the child sticks 2 knifes in at one time?????

Mark
 
mark henderson said:
So the arent to child proff if the child sticks 2 knifes in at one time?????

Mark
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That kind of coordination and talent is "rewarded" by the power company
 
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just my 2 cents...

Just my two cents, when I had the electrical upgraded in my current house I had the electrician install all tamper proof receptacles for all general purpose receptacles, and one combination night light / tamper proof receptacle in all the rooms and hallways, it?s a lot easier that dealing with plastic plug covers that seem to attract more kids attention than anything, and one other note we are starting to see a lot of inspectors require tamper proof receptacles anywhere the could be children, ex. Hospital waiting rooms is a big one and medical office building waiting rooms.
 
Mike01 said:
Just my two cents, when I had the electrical upgraded in my current house I had the electrician install all tamper proof receptacles for all general purpose receptacles, and one combination night light / tamper proof receptacle in all the rooms and hallways, it?s a lot easier that dealing with plastic plug covers that seem to attract more kids attention than anything...
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It is wonderful that these products are available to those who choose to purchase them.

...and one other note we are starting to see a lot of inspectors require tamper proof receptacles anywhere the could be children, ex. Hospital waiting rooms is a big one and medical office building waiting rooms.
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Really? Based on what code, under the 2005 or prior codes?

Without a code reference, then these inspectors are exceeding their authority, IMO.
 
georgestolz said:
It is wonderful that these products are available to those who choose to purchase them.


Really? Based on what code, under the 2005 or prior codes?

Without a code reference, then these inspectors are exceeding their authority, IMO.
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George, see 517.18 (C)

Roger
 
I just did a little looking thru this report for the year 2001. There were 113 reported injuries in children 10 and under related to receptacles in the sample of hospitals. National estimate 2,306.

Homes: 74%
Schools: 8%
Sports: 1%
Other public areas: 1%
Unknown: 16%

Of the 84 cases in homes, the injuries are:
Burns: 45
Electric Shock: 21
Laceration: 9
Contusion or abrasion: 3
Inter organ injury: 2
Other: 2
Unknown: 1
No fatalities reported.

I couldn't find anywhere what objects were inserted to cause injuries. If I use numbers as submitted I would argue that about 25% would not be prevented by this Code change.
11% Plug and cord. If the cord was damaged or the plug was partially inserted.
12% body part. Must be damaged for a kid to fit a body part in the recept.
1% open outlet. Should have a faceplate.
6% unknown.

And FYI, boys had over 50% more cases reported than girls.
 
brian john said:
1. Typically when items are mandated and mass produced their cost should come down.
2. Then when the elcheapo child proff recpts fail their will be a recall, more work for the residential contractors.
3. Many code changes are driven by manufactures IMO, and the main reason IMO is to drive profits not safety, though some manufactures tie the two together quite nicely (profit and safety) to the benefit of the consumer market.
4. If you look at the code making panels and IEEE Standards Working Groups you will see manufactures representatives, these representatives are paid to do one thing protect their company's interest.
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absolutely. and its not only our industry, its all of the regulated trades. the manufacturer's and cmp's are going help us all price ourselves out of a job. two places i always carry a bottle of KY w/ me to; 1)gas pump 2)supply house.
 
Well folks, If the change is accepted and it saves the life of even one child ( maybe a future electrician) IMO it will be worth it. Besides the only way this change will cost you money is if you put them in your own house or give them away for free,know what I mean?
That said,I have a 6 year old girl and a 4 year old boy. Niether of them are aloud out front(no fence) without supervision to this day. They are not to pass the curb to the street. They can't go after balls etc. That's MY JOB. They do not go next door the nieghbors by themelves,I walk them there...that's MY JOB. They don't go around barefoot...I put shoes on them,That's MYJOB. They don't plug in thier new gadgets...That's MY JOB.They don"t grab a chair (well, they have tried but got caught)to get the latch off the swimming pool gate to get on the deck...That's MY JOB.
My piont here should be obvious,and no I'm not anal, Children of a certain age need supervision and guidence...End of story. My kids have had thier share of mishaps on my shift but I try to explain the consequense of thier action so they will know in the future. Parents that do not tend to thier kids drive me nuts!!!!
That's all I got to say about that. (Forrest Gump)
...Bob
 
I really have no definitive opinion about child proof plugs. . I see good points arguing for the requirement. . I see good points arguing against the requirement. . There are safety concerns that can be best met by law and others that can be best met by parenting.

The one concept that I have to take exception with is your first sentence.
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Well folks, If the change is accepted and it saves the life of even one child ( maybe a future electrician) IMO it will be worth it.
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I?ve heard this ?even one saved? reasoning many times before. . I always found this reasoning to fall short. . It would cause us to ban all kinds of things.

We would have to start with cars. . If cars were gone there would be one child saved and that child would only be the first of thousands over a span of decades that would be saved.

We could definitely save "even one child" by outlawing bicycles.

We could save at least one child by requiring tracheotomies for every child everywhere. . No more choking.

Someone being saved shouldn't be the end of the conversation, it should be the beginning. . There are pros and cons that should be weighed in addition to the total number of preventable deaths.

David
 
I was replacing the GFCI outlet by my front door one day as my 4 year old, at the time, watched me. I went in to get something and about a minute later he came through the front door with his eyes wide. I asked what happened and he said nothing. When I went back outside I found my screwdriver with an arc mark and a nice arc mark on the outlet cover. I thought it was kind of funny only becasue I already knew he was safe, but it could have been just as tragic.

One life.
 
cowboyjwc said:
I was replacing the GFCI outlet by my front door one day as my 4 year old, at the time, watched me. I went in to get something and about a minute later he came through the front door with his eyes wide. I asked what happened and he said nothing. When I went back outside I found my screwdriver with an arc mark and a nice arc mark on the outlet cover. I thought it was kind of funny only becasue I already knew he was safe, but it could have been just as tragic.

One life.
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I don't think I'd tell the wife that story... :grin:
 
dnem said:
Someone being saved shouldn't be the end of the conversation, it should be the beginning. . There are pros and cons that should be weighed in addition to the total number of preventable deaths.

David
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Well put David.

It is unfortunate but true that we can not save everyone.
 
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