child proof recepts being required!?

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I think I am going to buy me about 100 cases of regular receptacle outlets before they stop making them and just cheat like hell on this. Family's with little kids make up about 2% of the jobs I wire. If they really want to make things safe for little kids, they should outlaw the mom's from having that cellphone nailed to her ear the whole time she is behind the wheel of her car.:mad:
 
macmikeman said:
I think I am going to buy me about 100 cases of regular receptacle outlets before they stop making them
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They will not stop making regular receptacles anytime soon, like any code rule it will be up to the installer to comply or the inspector to make them comply.
 
peter d said:
So what's going to happen when a very determined child defeats the safety interlock and manages to shock him/her self?
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They will get a shock?

Keep in mind the outlets are tamper resistant not tamper proof. It's all about CYA.
 
iwire said:
They will get a shock?
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Knock me over with a feather. ;)

I was thinking more along the lines of what lawsuits might develop. It just seems like the more they try to legislate safety, the more lawyers they put in business when things go wrong. :rolleyes:
 
iwire said:
I do watch my kids, but your kidding yourself if you think you can watch and control them 24/7. I installed covers on the outlets and actually killed the power to the outlets in their room when they where babies.

Of course that was my choice not the NFPAs. :smile:
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Agreed... no way to watch them 24/7, particularly as they get more mobile as they grow. We put the plastic things in all the outlets (except counters), and each child knows VERY WELL that electricity is very dangerous stuff and not to be trifled with.

Four kids under 6 in the household, so far so good... Never felt the need to turn power off though, despite one child having a receptacle right next to her bed.
 
406.11

406.11

? 406.11: Added a requirement for tamper-resistant 15- and 20-ampere, 125 volt receptacles in dwelling units per 210.52(A)
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"(A) General Provisions. ​
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In every kitchen, family room, dining room, living room, parlor, library, den, sunroom, bedroom, recreation room, or similar room or area of dwelling units, receptacle outlets shall be installed in accordance with the general provisions specified in 210.52(A)(1) through (A)(3)."

2008 NEC can be viewed here:

http://www.nfpa.org/freecodes/free_access_agreement.asp?id=7008SB​
 
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I just don't see the problem... :grin: :grin: :grin:
 
iwire said:
The info shows four deaths in 10 years.

The CPSC numbers show that in that same time period 1,500 children died from falls in the home.

Many of these falls where down stairs.

Should every home be forced to have auto closing doors at the top and bottom of stairs?

I am a parent of a 6 and 8 year old and the thought of them getting burned, shocked, killed does bother me to the core.

But their well being is my responsibility not the CMPs.

I actually killed the power to many of the bedroom outlets while they where younger, the ones I left on we bought child guards that look like 'bubble covers'.
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I agree whole heartedly with you and Pierre
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
If this proposed requirement is not for the manufacturer's pocketbook, I am a "monkeys uncle" (an old saying).
I have worked in and inspected many homes where there are no children. If this is such a national problem, a law should be developed that says a family moving into the home has to install these devices. It should not be mandated by an electrical code.
This one really peeves me off!!!...along with some of the other "nonmoneymakingmanufacturerproposedandacceptedproposalrequirements".

I would be willing to bet that the injuries from kids running through glass sliding doors are more grave and maybe just as many...I do not see any building codes for this... how about people falling down stairs...should we stop putting second stories on homes...
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I would be willing to bet you are right Pierre!! If the manufacturers are so concerned about child safety instead of their profit margins they would offer these recepticles at the same prices as the recepticles they sell today. The other thing that realy bothers me is when did we forget that a free and open society is not a place for sissies. The government (and the NEC) cannot protect every one from every thing!
 
cschmid said:
so we make tamper resistant outlets so what the h--- is all the fancy CB's for.. even the finest artificial intelligence cannot defeat natural stupidity..
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Breakers only protect equipment, mostly the insulation on conductors. Take a 20amp breaker, and load it with 15amps. It won't trip. The breaker doesn't know if it's a vacuum cleaner, a microwave, a table sawy or your torso.
 
very true, my point is the bureaucrats are getting carried away..so can some one site a study where they have found a recorded number of child deaths due to them sticking things in outlets? and not an insurance company using rigged logistics to get their way?
 
iaov said:
The other thing that really bothers me is when did we forget that a free and open society is not a place for sissies. The government (and the NEC) cannot protect every one from every thing!
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We have not lived in a "free and open society" for some time. The wall did not "fall" in Berlin, it was simply moved to Washington, D.C.
At least that is the way it often seems.
 
haskindm said:
We have not lived in a "free and open society" for some time. The wall did not "fall" in Berlin, it was simply moved to Washington, D.C.
At least that is the way it often seems.
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Right on brother! We have forgotten that people who are willing to trade freedom for security end up with niether. The electrical parts manufactures , along with most Big buissnes in this country are enjoying record profits, and you and I need to keep in mind is that that, far more than freedom, is what is realy important!!
 
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