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For all you "20 ampers"

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iwire said:
I was not and it is, but your posts seemed to indicate you did not consider it as an issue.
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I never said that. That's why I thought you were yanking my chain.

tryinghard said:
tryinghard said:
How many #12's will you install in a 3 gang switch box...
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to which I responded:
mivey said:
...As many as I need?...If the box is the right size...
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From my perspective, I thought I had already indicated I was aware of the box size needs. So when you posted this:
iwire said:
It appears from your posts that you are unaware of NEC box sizing requirements
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It sounded sarcastic to me. I was not offended. I don't mind a little chain-yanking.

tryinghard seemed to be making a case that my box size was restricted:
tryinghard said:
If you have a standard 3 gang switch box that is 44 CI
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And he made this comment which, to me, appeared pompous and condescending:
tryinghard said:
Oh I know how to calculate wirefill for boxes, I don't think mivey relizes how easy it is to overfill one; do you?
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then he tried to make this point which seemed to indicate that overfilling a box can be a problem for #12 but not for #14:
tryinghard said:
And I'm trying to point out how easy it is to over fill a box by those who won't use 14
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Again, I thought I made the point that it did not have to be about the wire, it could be about the box size:
mivey said:
Well my friend, that's why they make more than one box size.:roll: If I'm doing re-work and need a bigger box, I put one in. If it is new work, I put whatever size box I need. What in the world is wrong with that?:-?
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To which trying hard replied:
tryinghard said:
You still have not answered my question for a 3 gang box
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Which seemed even more condescending. I'm not saying he was being condescending, only that it sounded that way to me. I've apologized to tryinghard if I offended him and I would have apologized if I sounded condescending to him as well. That was not my intent. I was just bantering over the point that he was trying to make that it was about the wire and I was trying to make it about the box.

I was refusing to help him build his own case because I did not agree with where he was going. It sounded like he was going down the path of "#14 allows you to not worry about the box fill calculations" and I was refusing to be led down that path, condescension or not.
 
Mivey, settle down, you've had three post in a row trying to defend yourself, let it go, it's not the end of the world. :wink:

Roger
 
roger said:
Mivey, settle down, you've had three post in a row trying to defend yourself, let it go, it's not the end of the world. :wink:

Roger
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ok. sorry. A little sensitve this morning. I'll take a time-out.:)
 
boboelectric said:
Looking at the hot side of the receptacle,it could of been a bad connection at the device plug(heater,?)
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The screws were wrapped backwards so tightening loosens them that is why it melted under heavy load.
 
bikeindy said:
AAHHHHH!!!

how many times did you say you were running #12 so the breaker wouldn't trip? Now you are going to tell us you put #12 on a 15 Amp breaker. or maybe you put it on a 30 so the breaker won't trip. I think you are playing with us.
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I never said I was running 12 so the breaker wont trip. You guys are fun to play with though. You arent giving up until 12 is outlawed.
 
It's really a question of money when you choose a wire size or service size. I had a customer that went with a 150 Amp. service because the builder wanted more money for a 200 Amp. service. This decisions ended up costing him. Normally a 150 Amp. service would have been more than enough for that size home and this guy was an electrical engineer and he knew this. What he didn't calculate was for future expansion when he started to operate a home business in his basement that required a lot of power.

The main reason that I like to use #12 for all circuits is because I really never know what will be added to which circuits before the job is finished.
Sure #14 is good enough for most bedrooms. Then the homeowner tells you he wants to operate a dehimidifier or a tread mill. Ok folks we want to add six cans in the bed room and six cans in the library/bed room. Often haveing that extra 5 Amps. which is really and extra 33% means the difference between adding another circuit or just adding fixtures to the existing.

If I'm doing a custom home I let the homeowner know right off that it's going to be over done in certain areas. I've been known to pull two circuits to the attic for future use ( many times I'm sure they will never get used but sometimes they are ). They are there if needed.


Many customers drive a huge four wheel drive vehicle that get 10-12 miles to a gallon for city driving. They love the bigger is better idea.

Why would I want to try to sell a guy that drives a "Hummer" a " Volks Wagon" ? :confused:
 
It's threads like this one that makes me thank my lucky stars that I work alone. Fire in the hole!!!

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The silliness of this whole crock of bs is here we are 275 replies in and STILL not one valid reason to use all #12 and 20 amp circuits over #14 and 15 amp circuits in a dwelling.
 
electricmanscott said:
The silliness of this whole crock of bs is here we are 275 replies in and STILL not one valid reason to use all #12 and 20 amp circuits over #14 and 15 amp circuits in a dwelling.
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Scott, these are ELECTRICIANS you're talking to, remember???? ;)
 
electricmanscott said:
The silliness of this whole crock of bs is here we are 275 replies in and STILL not one valid reason to use all #12 and 20 amp circuits over #14 and 15 amp circuits in a dwelling.
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Thats because there is none... :grin:

14 AWG RULES!!! :grin:
 
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