For all you "20 ampers"

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For all you "20 ampers"

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growler said:
It's really a question of money when you choose a wire size or service size. I had a customer that went with a 150 Amp. service because the builder wanted more money for a 200 Amp. service. This decisions ended up costing him. Normally a 150 Amp. service would have been more than enough for that size home and this guy was an electrical engineer and he knew this. What he didn't calculate was for future expansion when he started to operate a home business in his basement that required a lot of power.

The main reason that I like to use #12 for all circuits is because I really never know what will be added to which circuits before the job is finished.
Sure #14 is good enough for most bedrooms. Then the homeowner tells you he wants to operate a dehimidifier or a tread mill. Ok folks we want to add six cans in the bed room and six cans in the library/bed room. Often haveing that extra 5 Amps. which is really and extra 33% means the difference between adding another circuit or just adding fixtures to the existing.

If I'm doing a custom home I let the homeowner know right off that it's going to be over done in certain areas. I've been known to pull two circuits to the attic for future use ( many times I'm sure they will never get used but sometimes they are ). They are there if needed.


Many customers drive a huge four wheel drive vehicle that get 10-12 miles to a gallon for city driving. They love the bigger is better idea.

Why would I want to try to sell a guy that drives a "Hummer" a " Volks Wagon" ? :confused:
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I never guessed this thread would be this long. so today all day and I just walked in the door 10 minutes ago we have been wiring a 4500 SF home. second floor has 4 bedrooms two baths a bonus room over the garage, we ran

3 20 Amp circuits
7 15 Amp circuits

that just for the second floor guys.
 
bikeindy said:
I never guessed this thread would be this long. so today all day and I just walked in the door 10 minutes ago we have been wiring a 4500 SF home. second floor has 4 bedrooms two baths a bonus room over the garage, we ran

3 20 Amp circuits
7 15 Amp circuits

that just for the second floor guys.
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Why so many? :grin:
 
stickboy1375 said:
Why so many? :grin:
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Cuz I like doing things to code minimum you know. thats why we use #14. :grin:


Actually that doesn't even cover the hall lights or the hall receptacle since those HR's start on the first floor.

the house is getting a 400 Amp service.
 
Minuteman said:
'Cause the AHJ says so.
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Michael these guys will never get it you are wasting your breath I mean keystrokes. They were taught one way to do things and it will never change. Look at the op it was one of defiance and 300 posts later nothing has changed.
 
76nemo said:
I used to get into ol' hot rods and rebuilding. MOPAR my friend. Talk 383's or 440's, then we can relate:)
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my first truck had a 318. it was an '89 ram 150 that the previous owner had painted at the tech school; it was a weird blue color. we called it 'eyeore' (winnie the pooh donkey character). i had plans to pin a tail on the back of it and everything. when making a pit stop, you have to check the gas and fill it with oil. it also hated water pumps. i still remember the day the odometer rolled over to "00000". when i sold it, the guy who ended up buying it said "wow, its only got 36k miles?" i had to break the news that i was unsure just how many times it had rolled over.
 
Minuteman said:
'Cause the AHJ says so.
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Like I said get it changed.

quogueelectric said:
Michael these guys will never get it you are wasting your breath I mean keystrokes. They were taught one way to do things and it will never change. Look at the op it was one of defiance and 300 posts later nothing has changed.
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You are the one doing it one way dude. So you think I should stop using #14? your first post said, "here's one" as in some one who won't use #14 but have stated in atleast one post that you would use #14, so why are you fighting the issue of using #14, will you or not?
 
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bikeindy said:
Cuz I like doing things to code minimum you know. thats why we use #14. :grin:


Actually that doesn't even cover the hall lights or the hall receptacle since those HR's start on the first floor.

the house is getting a 400 Amp service.
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WHAT?! You're mixing circuits between floors?

Tsk tsk tsk....
 
bikeindy said:
Like I said get it changed.
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Why? How? It's been that way in most jurisdictions for at least 15 - 20 years.

I'm not even sure I would want to change. I have not read one LOGICAL post that could prove to me that 14 is worth using.
 
Minuteman said:
Why? How? It's been that way in most jurisdictions for at least 15 - 20 years.

I'm not even sure I would want to change. I have not read one LOGICAL post that could prove to me that 14 is worth using.
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You dont need a logical post, if you tried it you wouldn't go back... But since you asked, here is my LOGICAL post, the labor and cost of material makes it worth it.
 
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