For all you "20 ampers"

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For all you "20 ampers"

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Minuteman said:
Why? How? It's been that way in most jurisdictions for at least 15 - 20 years.

I'm not even sure I would want to change. I have not read one LOGICAL post that could prove to me that 14 is worth using.
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May even be a good idea to leave the #12 requirement. I here there are flolks out there that don't like to work that way and it could be cutting down the competition.

If you allow 14 everyone will want to work there.:grin: :grin:
 
bikeindy said:
Like I said get it changed.




You are the one doing it one way dude. So you think I should stop using #14? your first post said, "here's one" as in some one who won't use #14 but have stated in atleast one post that you would use #14, so why are you fighting the issue of using #14, will you or not?
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I have explained myself very clearly in the last 300 posts if you didnt understand what I posted that is ok too. You keep doing what you do and I will keep doing what I do at the end of the day where does it get you? I know where it gets me. That is the beauty of being the owner is that I dont have to listen to anyone but ME and my profits are reflected acordingly. Which are huge no thanks to you. I sell quality not minimum.
 
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So, I would still have to install 12 in Kitchens and Baths. That's 14 wire and 15 breakers. So I would have more product on my truck. I would have to install more homeruns, and (until they approve the '08) more AFCIs. I would still need larger boxes for the 12 circuits, and could use smaller boxes for 14. That means I still have to watch box fill. So, I am i gonna save all this money?
 
Minuteman said:
Sure but, I SELL wire for profit. Big wire = more profit. You understand that don't you?
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at 20% markup, you'd be making an extra $21 per 1k feet of cable (assuming we pay the same price for wire). i would rather use 14awg and just add the $21 i lost into my price elsewhere, like labor. i understand completely the concept of more cost, more profit, but when you get in the position where you need more time than what's available to you, you have to salvage time anywhere you can. 14awg is one way to do so. i try to spend as little on materials as possible in residential because i don't bill time+material. i give the customer a price, and do my best to beat the time and cost of materials allotted. i would rather sell my time than the supply house's material. using 14awg can help get your price down as well, if you're concerned with that at all.
 
brantmacga said:
using 14awg can help get your price down as well, if you're concerned with that at all.
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Do you know what the biggest labor saving device is for the electrical industry in the last 100 years?


Wire Nuts.

There is a guy some place in this state that doesn't use them.
 
growler said:
Do you know what the biggest labor saving device is for the electrical industry in the last 100 years?


Wire Nuts.

There is a guy some place in this state that doesn't use them.
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:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: go see my post i just put up in the contracting forum. "first plastic & wirenut job".

i'm not the only one that's been soldering. its very common here in val-vegas. that's just how we roll.
 
brantmacga said:
at 20% markup, you'd be making an extra $21 per 1k feet of cable (assuming we pay the same price for wire). i would rather use 14awg and just add the $21 i lost into my price elsewhere, like labor. i understand completely the concept of more cost, more profit, but when you get in the position where you need more time than what's available to you, you have to salvage time anywhere you can. 14awg is one way to do so. i try to spend as little on materials as possible in residential because i don't bill time+material. i give the customer a price, and do my best to beat the time and cost of materials allotted. i would rather sell my time than the supply house's material. using 14awg can help get your price down as well, if you're concerned with that at all.
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Except I mark up 50% and I don't think that the time savings from 14 is all that significant.
 
Minuteman said:
Except I mark up 50% and I don't think that the time savings from 14 is all that significant.
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holy cow! more power to ya if you can re-sell for that! my comment still stands though; i'd rather sell my time
 
brantmacga said:
i'm not the only one that's been soldering. its very common here in val-vegas. that's just how we roll.
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I fully understand that but can you understand than others roll with #12.


It doesn't bother me one bit that you all tend to make solder connections.

It doesn't even bother me that EMT is required for residential in some areas.

If had had my way all wiring would be in rigid. It would be slow but expensive.
 
growler said:
I fully understand that but can you understand than others roll with #12. <<< See your point, but no & yes, only yes because i completely understand stubbornness.


It doesn't bother me one bit that you all tend to make solder connections.

It doesn't even bother me that EMT is required for residential in some areas.

If had had my way all wiring would be in rigid. It would be slow but expensive.
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if we had to do it your way, that would be the point i move into a more administrative role and hire a bunch of helpers. i could surely afford to if we were doing all rigid!
 
soldering?

soldering?

brantmacga said:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: go see my post i just put up in the contracting forum. "first plastic & wirenut job".

i'm not the only one that's been soldering. its very common here in val-vegas. that's just how we roll.
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Soldering is for plumbers!
 
its been awhile since i've seen a plumber solder; pex has taken over here. hvac guys solder freon lines though.
 
brantmacga said:
its been awhile since i've seen a plumber solder; pex has taken over here. hvac guys solder freon lines though.
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Silfos and acetylene way to go. You wanna piss a plumber off just mention sharktooth fittings.
 
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