Wow!
Wow!
Is this me or everyone is experiencing a shortage of new generation of electricians. I am 34 and started @ 16 worked my way up the ranks and now I am the EC. Kids these days are sure diffrent:-?
I still say the same thing about your generation. :grin:
Kids are different today. They will always be... I like Dennis' quote. He sees things from a different perspective...
(Side note here that parallels this: As a young teenager my friend was listening to heavy metal music... he mentioned that his parents didn't like the music he was listening to, and that he was scared to wonder what it would be like when HE was a parent... what possible kind of music would his kids listen to, that would scare him, since he listened to such hard music.)
We are all experiencing different electricians today. They have a different work ethic. They have been raised differently... by US! (as a whole)
no one wants to work. someday this trade will have few electricians and we will be as valueable as we once were in the old days
maybe less electricians will be a good thing. ...
I understand your point. It does seem that no one young wants to work. However, we are nearing a critical stage in our economy as a whole (national and possibly global) where the next generation is smaller than the previous one. This will create a gap... and yes, you will see fewer electricians. Will it be a good thing? I don't know!
The conditions involve work... Most kids I see today have never been made to learn how to work. As a parent the old adage of we want something better for our kids still holds true but along the way it has been forgotten to teach them how to achieve this.
I think the finger needs to be pointed back at us (as a whole)... we are busy raising this generation (or have already done so)... WE are the ones who have forgotten... we are the ones who have failed. (society as a whole)
This goes back to the employer looking at the bottom line. It will cost money to train someone so it's cheaper to find a drone to just do what you tell them and never question why it's this way.
While I am not a complete advocate, I do look at the bottom line. I need to know how much something is going to cost me. If the job ends up being a negative, I am the one that has to pay for it... not the electrician. They were paid to learn on MY job. And their mistakes cost money... not theirs.
And regarding training... sending people to school does cost money. I am not up to pay for someone's schooling if I don't know whether or not they are going to quit for a quarter more at someother EC...
There are 2 sides to this... I think both need to be addressed.
Yes, and because of that you must find a balance between profitablility, functionality, and appearance.
Yea i hear you. Nothing wrong with your point of view, mines just different. Too bad politicians couldn't disagree civilly.
Peter is right. We MUST find a balance. However, we ALL view things differently. Since we do view things differently, and think differently, that balance will be in a different spot for each of us.
As an electrician, my balance was doing a good job so that I could keep my job.
As a foreman, my balance was keeping the guys happy and the boss happy.
As an employer, my balance is keeping the employees working, and the customer happy... and me a profit!
It is different on every level!
You advocate doing sloppy work based on the premise that being cost affective is more important than being neat and workman like.
Their is a place for sloppy work, it is called the compitition.
I do not thing Peter is advocating sloppy work. I think his comments showed exactly how things can be done in a legal NEC fashion. It may not be the way of old... but it is still correct... still NEC... still "legal."
Greg
