Residential Wiring Practices

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I put 2 staples at every box, one at the top plate, and one in the middle...when im going down to a switch... the wire has to stay flat of course..
 
mdshunk said:
Exposed work, now that's a different story. I try to run exposed NM just like I might run EMT.
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If you run Nm any which way when it will be covered up why then do run it different when it will be exposed..... Is it because people will see it then and you want it to look neater???? Neat is not dependent on whether you can see it or not..
 
I bet you could not find anyone that would say the way I run wire is not neat...on the other hand I know I could find at least 800 residential electricians in my area that would say that the way you run wire is not neat....I know neat is a vague term but maybe your inspectors have never seen neat and have nothing to base the work off of....As if you were stranded on a island with 3 very ugly woman after awhile atleast one of them will start looking good to you
 
splinetto said:
If you run Nm any which way when it will be covered up why then do run it different when it will be exposed..... Is it because people will see it then and you want it to look neater????
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Exactly right. Doing otherwise is wasteful, in my opinion. There is no benefit in making concealed work into art work.

If you wouldn't mind, can you list the benefits to your customer in having their concealed work as neat as you describe?
 
The benefit would be a house wired to code...If the extra time for us to do it neat raises the home prices then why do we in St Louis have one of the lowest cost of living...
 
splinetto said:
Then why isnt compliant OK for exposed work??
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It is. I like to exceed the minimum requirements on the exposed work, much as you exceed the minimum requirements on all your work. Nothing wrong with either approach.
 
mdshunk said:
It is. I like to exceed the minimum requirements on the exposed work, much as you exceed the minimum requirements on all your work. Nothing wrong with either approach.
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I dont see my work as exceeding min req just meeting code.... Im going to ask my insp if he would fail my house if I pulled 3 wires in one hole, pulled wires diaginal, drilled holes un even and only used one staple at every box...Ill let you know what he says....
 
augie47 said:
could you come to my area of rual TN and work for a while :). I've asked, and I think 1 out of 10 electricans I see on a given day own a code book and less than that carry one, at least a current copy.
the standard procedure here is to wire it like I always have or like my cousin taught me. If I get a red tag, I will change methods to adapt until the next red tag.
sad sometimes
commercial job today...parallel feeders, EGC only in one conduit, conduit fill 24 #12s, 20 amp circuits--but they did pull the neutrals in a seperate conduit to avoid conduit over-fill, no disconnects on refrigeration equipment, no gfci's in kitchen, etc. and this is the 4th one of these KFC's they have wired...
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A principle of any quality assurance process is that "You get what you accept."

They will keep wiring KFCs that way until they are required to tear it out and do it right.
 
splinetto said:
...and only used one staple at every box.
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So far, nobody has indicated that would be okay by them. And, I should add, I'm sure you can find an inspector saying that he'd fail just about anything. There are educated one's and one's who only pass what they're used to seeing.

What you'd need to do is cite a code passage, whether it be from the NEC or a local code, that would make these practices illegal. Heck, I'd even take something from a NECA document, because I believe they're the only documents that have been published to address workmanship standards.
 
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LawnGuyLandSparky said:
"Journeyman electricians shall correct defective workmanship on their own time during regular working hours."

Simply put, when this rule is (rarely needed to be) enforced, the electrician first re-do's the work, is paid for the hours needed for the re-do, the hours spent messing up are deducted, and the layoff check is already in the foreman's hand before the whole process begins.
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Where is this legal or enforced?? you can sure tell which guys are paying for the wire on this thread. LMAO.
 
quogueelectric said:
Where is this legal or enforced?? you can sure tell which guys are paying for the wire on this thread. LMAO.
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I'm sitting here LMAO thinking of all the guys I know who thought just like splinetto.....until they got their license and went out on their own...once they started paying the bills, they suddenly got the "can't see it from my house" itis....
 
splinetto said:
I put 2 staples at every box, one at the top plate, and one in the middle...when im going down to a switch... the wire has to stay flat of course..
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Well it could be worse. It could look like the NM is in silver wiremold!
 
There is nothing inherently wrong with how spinletto runs his wire but... I'd love for him to come watch me pull it. He'd faint. I'm with Mr. MD Shunk, If its exposed, it's gotta be sexy. Behind the wall, GIT ER DONE.:D
 
quogueelectric said:
Where is this legal or enforced?? you can sure tell which guys are paying for the wire on this thread. LMAO.
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It's probably not legal from an employer - employee perspective. But most IBEW locals have that in the working agreement.
 
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