Sub Contractor for Turner Construction

Status
Not open for further replies.
L

LMIJOE

Member
Location
Tucker, GA USA
Has anyone had experience working with Turner Construction as an electrical contractor. I am curious about the details of their safety program with a focus on the "ladder last resort" program. How does that effect scheduling.
 
Yes, and it causes a lot of problems and expense to you. And another big expense depending on the number of people that you will have on the project is that every person will have to waste a day watching movies before they will be allowed to work on the project.

Roger
 
Sierrasparky said:
What is ladder last resort program.
Click to expand...
Basically they do not want ladders on their projects, they want lifts, scaffolds, or any other means besides ladders. If you are going to use a ladder you must fill out paper work the day before.

Roger
 
So... setting four milk crates on the top of a scaffold and setting up a six foot A-frame on them would be a no-no? ;)

In all seriousness, does this also apply to smaller ladders or the newer type of platform ladders, like a four footer or a 18"-24" folding platform? It would seem pretty ridiculous to get a lift or scaffold set up if you only need to get 1-2 feet higher than ground level just so you can have a safety rail around you.
 
PetrosA said:
So... setting four milk crates on the top of a scaffold and setting up a six foot A-frame on them would be a no-no? ;)

In all seriousness, does this also apply to smaller ladders or the newer type of platform ladders, like a four footer or a 18"-24" folding platform? It would seem pretty ridiculous to get a lift or scaffold set up if you only need to get 1-2 feet higher than ground level just so you can have a safety rail around you.
Click to expand...
How do they feel about drywaller type stilts?
:)
 
We work for them all of the time and their no ladder policy is absurd. I honestly don't know how my boss makes money on their jobs.
 
Considering they want all this:


Copy of W-9
List of company license numbers
List of state sales tax numbers
List of state unemployment insurance numbers
List of insurance agreements
List of current projects
List of recently completed projects
Current financial statement

Bank information
Dun and Bradstreet information
Surety information
3 supplier references
3 contractor references
Independent verification letter supporting your EMR for last 3 years
OSHA 300 logs from last 3 years
Insurance information

Plus they won't let me use my handy-dandy four-footer? They can go pound sand.
 
infinity said:
We work for them all of the time and their no ladder policy is absurd. I honestly don't know how my boss makes money on their jobs.
Click to expand...

Your boss makes money because he builds the "ladders last" program into his bid, just like the other subs do. Turner wants it, and they're willing to pay for it. Turner's other program, "Nothing Hits the Ground" is designed to eliminate waste. Contractors who learn to do that well make even more money.
 
This was years ago, but Turner came to our office to show us their safety program. I remember something like they are self insured or something.

The last job I inspected everyone had to wear at least fingerless gloves. Some inspectors had a hissy fit. Some inspectors are such primadonas. They gave me a pair of gloves to wear. No big deal.

I think the least we as inspectors can do is to abide by jobsite safety rules. After all we're asking them to abide by the Codes. I know they're bound by law to do it anyway.

It's about mutual respect.

I know this is different than your issue with the ladder safety.
 
sandsnow said:
...

The last job I inspected everyone had to wear at least fingerless gloves. Some inspectors had a hissy fit. Some inspectors are such primadonas. They gave me a pair of gloves to wear. No big deal.

...
Click to expand...

I can certainly understand the other inspectors. The last time many of us were forced to do silly things was in grade school. Forcing a grown individual to wear fingerless gloves while performing an inspection would, at first glance, appear to be an affront to any educated intelligence. Aside from needing to remain open-minded as a guest on a jobsite, there should also be some understanding on the part of those who make up their own safety rules and they should be willing to go above and beyond the call of duty to explain those rules to the uninitiated guest. If they can't do that, then maybe those rules really are just silly.
 
PetrosA said:
I can certainly understand the other inspectors. The last time many of us were forced to do silly things was in grade school. Forcing a grown individual to wear fingerless gloves while performing an inspection would, at first glance, appear to be an affront to any educated intelligence. Aside from needing to remain open-minded as a guest on a jobsite, there should also be some understanding on the part of those who make up their own safety rules and they should be willing to go above and beyond the call of duty to explain those rules to the uninitiated guest. If they can't do that, then maybe those rules really are just silly.
Click to expand...

Everybody wore gloves from laborers up to superintendents. Not sure, but I think owners also. It was a long time ago. It's hard to remember exactly, but in Turner's eyes it was simpler to have everybody do it.

I can't understand the other inspectors. They think rules apply to people they're inspecting, but not them. These guys would abuse their authority to say they don't need to wear work boots, safety glasses, vests, hard hats or long pants. You'd think they were being asked to wear a pink tutu.
 
sandsnow said:
Everybody wore gloves from laborers up to superintendents. Not sure, but I think owners also. It was a long time ago. It's hard to remember exactly, but in Turner's eyes it was simpler to have everybody do it.

I can't understand the other inspectors. They think rules apply to people they're inspecting, but not them. These guys would abuse their authority to say they don't need to wear work boots, safety glasses, vests, hard hats or long pants. You'd think they were being asked to wear a pink tutu.
Click to expand...

I totally understand the rest of that list. They are all industry standard safety items. The fingerless gloves, on the other hand...
 
PetrosA said:
I totally understand the rest of that list. They are all industry standard safety items. The fingerless gloves, on the other hand...
Click to expand...

Gloves will be the standard soon enough.

The company I work for them has started supplying and requiring gloves to be worn.

It comes right down to money, the cost for laceration that requires a doctors visit is just too high to ignore.
 
wtucker said:
Your boss makes money because he builds the "ladders last" program into his bid, just like the other subs do. Turner wants it, and they're willing to pay for it. Turner's other program, "Nothing Hits the Ground" is designed to eliminate waste. Contractors who learn to do that well make even more money.
Click to expand...

No one would get a job if they actually bid for all of the stupidity that these guys can think up. OSHA has a restrictive set of work rules that these contractors revise and come up with their own more restrictive stuff. Really, no ladders on the job because a lot of injuries are from ladders? What's next no hammer drills because we had less injuries with star chisels and lump hammers? :cool:
 
What if you have a spot that will not allow scaffolding but a 4' ladder leaned against the wall will work fine??
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top