billsnuff
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- East of 480sparky
I'll be the first to agree, I hear they really scatter in electrical storms
might need to wire nut their little horns together and then tape the wire nuts JIC..........:grin: :grin: :grin:
Taped Wirenuts
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I'll be the first to agree, I hear they really scatter in electrical storms
might need to wire nut their little horns together and then tape the wire nuts JIC..........:grin: :grin: :grin:
frizbeedog
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- Oregon
Tape.....Really?
Tape.....Really?
Should I read this thread? I've been avoiding it.
Tape.....Really?
Should I read this thread? I've been avoiding it.
- Location
- Massachusetts
frizbeedog said:
Rubbing salt into your eyes would probably be less painful. :grin:
frizbeedog
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- Oregon
O.K. I'll do it. I'll be in the kitchen.
O.K. I'll do it. I'll be in the kitchen.
Rock salt or table salt? I have both.
O.K. I'll do it. I'll be in the kitchen.
iwire said:
Rock salt or table salt? I have both.
cschmid
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- Northern cold country
here in the land of minnesota mining and manufacturing we are at 50 below zero again..so you must us super 88 now so you can wind proof all exsposed areas..dont know what hurts worse the cold or pulling off your hair of while removing the 88..:grin:
davidkopszywa
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Finally something to add,
Finally something to add,
Greetings all, hope these pics load
Finally something to add,
Greetings all, hope these pics load
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wbalsam1
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- Upper Jay, NY
How's this for a new code amendment?....
Electrical Tape. It shall be required to tape all wirenut connections utilizing the following color scheme: for 120/240 or 120/208 branch circuits and feeders requiring wirenutting, black, red and blue tape colors shall be employed; for voltages of 480/277, brown, orange and yellow tape coloring shall be utilized. Grounded conductors requiring taping shall be so taped with white for voltages of 120/240 and 120/208 and grey for 480/277. This provision shall become effective January 1st, 2011.
Exception: Those electricians who meet the definition of Qualified Person(s) as defined in Article 100, Definitions, shall not be required to meet this provision. It shall be permissible for those "electricians" who are unsure of their abilities to facilitate splices to utilize green tape on equipment grounding conductors wirenutted together.
FPN. It shall also be permissible for those "electricians" who demonstrate a thorough lack of self-confidence to "green-tape" crimped stak-on connections should a good nights sleep be desirable.
:grin: :grin:
Electrical Tape. It shall be required to tape all wirenut connections utilizing the following color scheme: for 120/240 or 120/208 branch circuits and feeders requiring wirenutting, black, red and blue tape colors shall be employed; for voltages of 480/277, brown, orange and yellow tape coloring shall be utilized. Grounded conductors requiring taping shall be so taped with white for voltages of 120/240 and 120/208 and grey for 480/277. This provision shall become effective January 1st, 2011.
Exception: Those electricians who meet the definition of Qualified Person(s) as defined in Article 100, Definitions, shall not be required to meet this provision. It shall be permissible for those "electricians" who are unsure of their abilities to facilitate splices to utilize green tape on equipment grounding conductors wirenutted together.
FPN. It shall also be permissible for those "electricians" who demonstrate a thorough lack of self-confidence to "green-tape" crimped stak-on connections should a good nights sleep be desirable.
:grin: :grin:
ceknight
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Man, I just got back from a 2 week vacation and was stunned to see this thread was still current.
I have nothing to add, except to wonder if maybe the wire nuts in the attached photo should have been taped just to keep them from falling off if a car drives by too fast. Found that while on a stroll through New Orlean's Garden District last week...
I have nothing to add, except to wonder if maybe the wire nuts in the attached photo should have been taped just to keep them from falling off if a car drives by too fast. Found that while on a stroll through New Orlean's Garden District last week...
jnsane84
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- Virginia Beach, Va.
ceknight said:Man, I just got back from a 2 week vacation and was stunned to see this thread was still current.
I have nothing to add, except to wonder if maybe the wire nuts in the attached photo should have been taped just to keep them from falling off if a car drives by too fast. Found that while on a stroll through New Orlean's Garden District last week...
A prime example of why it is crucial to use electrical tape on your wirenuts. Now what happens if one of those wirenuts fall off and lil suzie is on her way home from school strollin along minding her business and all of a sudden WHAMMY! she's jolted because someone forgot to tape their wirenuts on for safe keeping. It would be ashame. Always tape your nuts!:grin:
lpelectric
Senior Member
ceknight said:Man, I just got back from a 2 week vacation and was stunned to see this thread was still current.
I have nothing to add, except to wonder if maybe the wire nuts in the attached photo should have been taped just to keep them from falling off if a car drives by too fast. Found that while on a stroll through New Orlean's Garden District last week...
Welcome back from New Orleans. Hope you had a great vacation.
Got a question...Do you suppose that big old rusty J-box is still bonded somehow? Could it clear a fault should one occur? Say a wirenut came loose and a hot conductor lay up against the J-box....any continuous metallic path that would assist OCPD in operating? :smile:
weressl
Esteemed Member
mdshunk said:
Does that mean that they are overriding the wirenut manufacturer's installation instructions, thus assuming liability for the wirenuts' failure?
ceknight
Senior Member
lpelectric said:
Thanks, yeah, it was nice to get back on home turf for a bit. Been living up here so long I almost forget there are places where it's sunny and warm in early February.
lpelectric said:
There appeared to be an EGC running up the conduit, though it didn't so much as stop and say hello to the rusty box. If the fittings are tight and it's bonded at the top of the pole there is hope. Until the (untaped
) splice cap for the EGC comes off, anyway.
frizbeedog
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- Oregon
Commentary On A Nightmare
Commentary On A Nightmare
Dude...Really....That was funny. :grin: :grin: :grin:
nuff said.
Commentary On A Nightmare
jnsane84 said:
Dude...Really....That was funny. :grin: :grin: :grin:
nuff said.
OhioAL
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- Eastern Ohio
My company (A worldwide auto manufacturer) has one policy...FOLLOW the MANUFACTER'S SUGGESTED PROCEDURE--which means the wire nut manufacturer, and also the wire manufactuer, and the device manufacturer.weressl said:
To tape or not to Tape is not something my company wants to be brought in court for. Ignorance of their policies is not an excuse in court. It is definitely a liability issue. We do not wish to be party...So make fun of us.
weressl
Esteemed Member
OhioAL said:
OK, so tell us will you or will you not tape?
paul
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- Snohomish, WA
OhioAL said:
I guess I'll just toss away all my tape, since manufacturer's don't put it's use in their suggested procedure. :roll:
Can you come up with one plausible scenario where listed electrical tape on a wirenut is going to get anyone hauled into court?
My father, who is a semi Retired Electrician/Engineer, and myself got into this debate. He then sent me a link to this thread and after reading most of the posts I notice that the sword still swings both ways on this issue. Now here is my knowledge.
First, Proper wire nut termination. If I have solid wires That I am terminating, I twist them together. No-Brainer there. If I have to a any stranded to the mix I twist the stranded, position it slightly higher (1/8-inch) then the solid group and push them in to the wire nut and twist. This will have the stranded go into the thread, and then solid group push the stranded up and against the threads. I get a very solid connection when I do this and I know cause I aways check with a smart tug as anyone should always do when they terminate a connector.
Now my Dad does it different by twisting the solids and stranded together. That's how he originally taught me but every-time I do it the stranded snakes it way out of the bundle before I can get it nutted. He says it's because he's just that good.
To tape or not to tape?!
My company has a policy that taping is only necessary when termination the motor. Over time heavy vibration from these motors that are turning pumps can potentially cause the wire nuts to back off. This has not in my experience happened yet but we don't take that chance. Nor do we plan on wanting to find out. Having one of those connections come loose will be very costly to our customer and to my company that it is part of our procedure to tape them.I have even been told by a contract electrician that it is in violation of the NEC not to. Whenever someone Says something is Code or Not Code I always look it up. I haven't any mention of it in the NEC or the NFPA 79. However, for us and myself taping the wire nuts on motor connection is the safety net. You may never need and you don't want to find out. But, it's comforting that it's there just in case. To say that "If it's put on properly it won't come loose" is a boisterous and risky move.
To add to the other comments I have seen about the stick hassle of taking the tape of, I apply the tape in a manner so that it can be removed easily for service. because I have also have to mess with that mess too many times.
What I do Scotch Electric Tape. It seems to come off a little cleaner then other brands like 3M.
I start about 2 inches down the wire and wrap up to the wire nut at the end of the wrap, I fold the end of the tape so the next guy taking it apart has something to grab hold of.
In my opinion, motors terminations are the only terminations that get taped. and its for for the precautions against vibration only. If anyone tapes for moisture they should be using appropriate JB or Enclosure for those conditions.
And if people are going to look for sources for good wiring practices, you can't go wrong with the NEC. Or your on good common sense.
Many instruction manuals are like the one posted for what looks like a home light fixture written for Joe Q. Public in a manner that nothing can go wrong. The manufacture does not want any lawsuits because something wasn't in the manual and Joe's house burnt down or he got YARKED.
The only other times I ever use electric tape is for temporary use. Until I make a more permanent and professional connection. And for wrapping split bolt connections.
First, Proper wire nut termination. If I have solid wires That I am terminating, I twist them together. No-Brainer there. If I have to a any stranded to the mix I twist the stranded, position it slightly higher (1/8-inch) then the solid group and push them in to the wire nut and twist. This will have the stranded go into the thread, and then solid group push the stranded up and against the threads. I get a very solid connection when I do this and I know cause I aways check with a smart tug as anyone should always do when they terminate a connector.
Now my Dad does it different by twisting the solids and stranded together. That's how he originally taught me but every-time I do it the stranded snakes it way out of the bundle before I can get it nutted. He says it's because he's just that good.
To tape or not to tape?!
My company has a policy that taping is only necessary when termination the motor. Over time heavy vibration from these motors that are turning pumps can potentially cause the wire nuts to back off. This has not in my experience happened yet but we don't take that chance. Nor do we plan on wanting to find out. Having one of those connections come loose will be very costly to our customer and to my company that it is part of our procedure to tape them.I have even been told by a contract electrician that it is in violation of the NEC not to. Whenever someone Says something is Code or Not Code I always look it up. I haven't any mention of it in the NEC or the NFPA 79. However, for us and myself taping the wire nuts on motor connection is the safety net. You may never need and you don't want to find out. But, it's comforting that it's there just in case. To say that "If it's put on properly it won't come loose" is a boisterous and risky move.
To add to the other comments I have seen about the stick hassle of taking the tape of, I apply the tape in a manner so that it can be removed easily for service. because I have also have to mess with that mess too many times.
What I do Scotch Electric Tape. It seems to come off a little cleaner then other brands like 3M.
I start about 2 inches down the wire and wrap up to the wire nut at the end of the wrap, I fold the end of the tape so the next guy taking it apart has something to grab hold of.
In my opinion, motors terminations are the only terminations that get taped. and its for for the precautions against vibration only. If anyone tapes for moisture they should be using appropriate JB or Enclosure for those conditions.
And if people are going to look for sources for good wiring practices, you can't go wrong with the NEC. Or your on good common sense.
Many instruction manuals are like the one posted for what looks like a home light fixture written for Joe Q. Public in a manner that nothing can go wrong. The manufacture does not want any lawsuits because something wasn't in the manual and Joe's house burnt down or he got YARKED.
The only other times I ever use electric tape is for temporary use. Until I make a more permanent and professional connection. And for wrapping split bolt connections.
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