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Inspector Mike®
- Location
- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
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- ESI, PI, RBO
I am looking at this picture and have never seen this performed.
Note the multi wire feed + an addition circuit.
Doesn't look right but I can think of a violation.
I do not know if the additional 'black' is from a three wire or not.
This is a internet posted pic.
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The handle tie (functional?) indicates to me that the two breakers feed an MWBC. If the same neutral feeds all three of the wires, and the two black wires together are treated as part of the same MWBC, just going in two different directions, then there may not be a violation there. You can separate an MWBC into to (or more) separate circuits downstream just by branching the neutral. Under current code there may be an issue with the wires of the MWBC being grouped for identification within the panel.I am looking at this picture and have never seen this performed.
Note the multi wire feed + an addition circuit.
Doesn't look right but I can think of a violation.
I do not know if the additional 'black' is from a three wire or not.
Outside of what David said and rightfully so, those square d breakers are listed for two conductors. However as stated d.w. cannot be on same breaker as kitchen small appliance receptacle outlet circuit. (two wires hooked together under the same SQ-D breaker is only one circuit)
This is a high resolution picture that you can zoom in on it quite a bit. It isn't what it appears. The refrigerator is on the first breaker. The dishwasher is on the second breaker (alone). The kitchen A is on the 3rd breaker, and the red wire is on the 4th breaker, which is only partially visible.This is a internet posted pic.
I see the 85? and sunny. What are you trying to do rub it in? Right now it's -4? here on its way down to -10?. And to add to that the packers lost.
I agree, except spaces 6 and 8 are occupied by a 2P breaker.... It isn't what it appears. The refrigerator is on the first breaker. The dishwasher is on the second breaker (alone). The kitchen A is on the 3rd breaker, and the red wire is on the 4th breaker, which is only partially visible. ...
This is a high resolution picture that you can zoom in on it quite a bit. It isn't what it appears. The refrigerator is on the first breaker. The dishwasher is on the second breaker (alone). The kitchen A is on the 3rd breaker, and the red wire is on the 4th breaker, which is only partially visible.
When you zoom in, notice how the first two wires are visible above the plastic molding of the breaker terminal, but the third wire is not above this same piece. That's because it is on a different breaker.
I agree, except spaces 6 and 8 are occupied by a 2P breaker.
I agree, except spaces 6 and 8 are occupied by a 2P breaker.
A slight correction, it's -12? this morning. Relocating to Payson, Az is looking more attractive.that has been my signature line here for a number of years now. I leave it up all year..
Most ground busses will let you connect more than 1 grounding conductor but limit you to 1 grounded conductor under individual lugs( manufacture instructions wouls validate). Looks like circuits 2 & 4 are proper & 6 & 8 are isolated to a 2 pole breaker -- no violation seen with limited info
That is true with newer panel but not necessarily with older ones
It is seldom wrong, especially when comparing the accuracy to single digits or even negative numbers.that has been my signature line here for a number of years now. I leave it up all year..
Are the lugs rated for 2 wires on the neutral bar? It appears there are multiple equipment grounding conductor under one screw.
All Square D panels of the vintage using that style of main have had ground/neutral bus bars rated for more than one conductor, and it has been around for at least 25-30 years now.That is true with newer panel but not necessarily with older ones
Lets say the conductors are on the breakers as OP had assumed, still nothing wrong with branching out in a different direction than the "multiwire" portion of the circuit. The installer could have easily ran a three wire cable to a junction box, continued the three wire on and tapped a two wire out of the junction box and most would not question that - yet is effectively the same thing.This is a high resolution picture that you can zoom in on it quite a bit. It isn't what it appears. The refrigerator is on the first breaker. The dishwasher is on the second breaker (alone). The kitchen A is on the 3rd breaker, and the red wire is on the 4th breaker, which is only partially visible.
When you zoom in, notice how the first two wires are visible above the plastic molding of the breaker terminal, but the third wire is not above this same piece. That's because it is on a different breaker.