Moonlighting
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Dnkldorf
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Celtic, I should edit in:
Tests are the answer...Pls.
(Sarcasm)
I thought you would of got that, sorry...
Tests aren't the answer.
I am leaning towards educating the consumer, it seems more logical.
But you can't stop it, and you can't educate everyone. this you'll have to for-see and live with.
Tests are the answer...Pls.
(Sarcasm)
I thought you would of got that, sorry...
Tests aren't the answer.
I am leaning towards educating the consumer, it seems more logical.
But you can't stop it, and you can't educate everyone. this you'll have to for-see and live with.
It hasn't been easy typing and sitting on my hands to keep from throwing a few punches :wink:.... I want this thread to stay alive, if that means I have to bit my tongue a bit, I can handle that.iwire said:
It actually has nothing to do with organized labor.iwire said:
It simply has to do with the fact that are legitmate contractors and illigetimate contractors.
NJ is fed up with the illegal contractors. I mentioned in an earlier post(#182
The general public is at risk - in more ways than one - from the illegitimate contractors. The Act covers a HUGE range of home imporvement activities...you should give it an eyeball or two.
Speculation erased?
mdshunk
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Who lobbied hardest for such rules? And who is lobbying other states at this very moment for nearly identical rules?celtic said:NJ is fed up with the illegal contractors. I mentioned in an earlier post(#182Yesterday, 11:48 AM) the [Notice of Implementation of Home Improvement Contractor Registration Regulations] , which ties in with the Consumer Fraud Act.
(You opened that door, I simply stepped through.)
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celtic said:
Thanks, thats all we ask. :smile:
Are you kidding meDnkldorf said:
Educate the consumer?
So what's your plan to educate them?
What topics will this "education" cover?
Who is going to pay for this "education"?
Are you willing to pay for consumers to be educated in everything from hanging sheetrock to fixing a transmission to doing their taxes to god-knows-what?
I know I am NOT willing to foot that bill.
If people want to know about any given subject, let them...but not on my dime - I pay enough in property and sales tax as it is.
I wanted to learn about electricity - I paid for it.
I want to get my inspectors credentials - can you spot me the $1600 +/- it's going to cost?
No offense, but that's ass-backwards thinking you got going on over there.
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celtic said:You know, that really is a lot to ask of someone that is passionate about the topic at hand
Well if it makes you feel better I will put a Gold Star on your chart.
If I had to speculate on who lobbied for this legislation, I would surmise it would be the Contractor's Associations - both organized and un-organized (it that PC?).mdshunk said:
Both parties stand to GAIN from the legislation and it also protects the general public from having their decks collapse during little Susie's 8th Grade graduation.
While some may say NJ is an organized labor stronghold, they are plenty of contractors that operate perfectly legimate and profitable businesses w/o the help of organized labor.
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mdshunk said:
At the risk of opening a door we should not.
It makes perfect sense that 'they' would lobby for that along with the other trade associations.
If I was a member I would expect them to lobby for those types of rules.
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celtic said:
What do you mean I'm funny?
What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?
Funny how? What's funny about it?
Funny how?
growler
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Dnkldorf said:
Dnk, you may not deal with moonlighting or uneducated customers but I'm sure other contractors in your area do.
If we could all work at the Post Office there would never be a recession because the mail never stops. There is a flaw in this reasoning.
growler
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Dnkldorf said:
Not going to happen. Politically you can't deal with the homeowners ( to many of them and they vote ). That's why homeowners will always have a right to do their own work. But you can deal with the moonlighers ( they are not organized, if they wanted to be they would already be in business ).
Bob was right a nice stiff fine would probably do the trick. If not bring back lynching ( worked in the old days ).
iwire said:
A very brief peak into that door - delete if I go too far.
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The agreement an individual makes with a union - as a condition of continued eligibility for referral from them - includes such language that prohibits the individual from obtaining a business permit to be called an electrical contractor.
Organized labor (in this case the IBEW) simply does not allow it's members to operate as ECs.
If organized larbor lobbied to have the Act ratified, it would stand to reason that such lobbing efforts LIMITED it's members ability to open shop.
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Like I said....if that has gone too far, delete it w/o a second thought - I completely understand.
"Imagine if all of us dealt with educated consumers who new the risks of dealing with unlicnesed and uninsured contractors."
New Jersey, along with other states have taken that route, here in New Jersey the Division of Consumer Affairs is informing both consumers, and law enforcement, on the existing laws, that protect them, and they have become more active in enforcement this past year.
As contractors, we should also make an effort to inform the consumer, of the risks of dealing with unlicnesed, and uninsured contractors.
Keep in mind what Bob has been trying to say, not all states, have the same laws, and differ in how you can operate.
New Jersey, along with other states have taken that route, here in New Jersey the Division of Consumer Affairs is informing both consumers, and law enforcement, on the existing laws, that protect them, and they have become more active in enforcement this past year.
As contractors, we should also make an effort to inform the consumer, of the risks of dealing with unlicnesed, and uninsured contractors.
Keep in mind what Bob has been trying to say, not all states, have the same laws, and differ in how you can operate.
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