You can call yourself anything at a party "Hi I am a wanabe engineer".
So you can call yourself an Engineer, but cannot sell engineering services. So what's the point of wanting to call yourself an engineer? I mean, I do some work with the local school system and they call their janitors Sanitation Engineers.
What? Why? This makes no sense. If I wanted to get a CDL, why shouldn't I? I would take the training necessary to get the CDL, so what is the harm in doing so? Residential roofing isn't even a licensed trade around here above just the business license required. Same with auto mechanics, builders, road construction... So just the owner needs to have the business license, then hire people to do the work. Nothing hard about laying asphalt shingles on small homes.... Sure there are right and wrong ways to do the job, so choose wisely from whom you learn!
Just like any industry, including Engineering and electrical work.It depends on the state, I dont think that would fly up here in the pacific north west. WA recently had a big todo about a state agency titling an employee a "Forest Practice Engineer" whom was not a PE.I do some work with the local school system and they call their janitors Sanitation Engineers.
I think we are deviating from the core conversation. Yes you can sell engineering services with out an P.E license; it all depends what it is, how it is regulated, State etc. Do not forget about the manufacturing facilities you do work at and for. You can be an electrical and controls systems integrator to offer engineering services for companies. Let us not limit ourselves thinking strictly about the construction field per say.So you can call yourself an Engineer, but cannot sell engineering services. So what's the point of wanting to call yourself an engineer? I mean, I do some work with the local school system and they call their janitors Sanitation Engineers.
Perhaps where you are but It would definitely not fly here, and there have been a few court cases about it. If a employee has a title of "XYZ Engineer" they need to have the the license. If they loose or fail to renew the PE they cant use the job title.
Likewise if you operate stationary steam boilers. (but anything bigger than residential size needs licensing)I think if you drive trains you can call yourself an engineer
Not in manufacturing. I would like to see the requirements for any state that has it. I have never heard of it. I receive emails from many different states, all day long. There is no P.E requirements listed any where in private manufacturing positions...only a few requires is based on the field they are in.
Here is one recent court case:
Thank you for the link. This is absolutely crazy. There is not enough time to write what I think about it. So, electricians who do not have an active license should not call themselves master electricians because, people will assume that they are licensed to do work? Lots of assumption listed on this lawsuit. The description of an "engineer" and their qualification criteria is not explained very well by the lawyers I assume.
Yeah Its pretty strict.
Misrepresentation is a violation for sure. "practice engineering" , this is very debatable as to what an engineer / engineering means. DELAWARE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS’ ACT surely will focus on and push for P.E licensing.
But these jobs are not selling engineering services to the general public. These are just titles that this company has given that person or persons.
I get the intent of your message. But cost is not what I'm optimizing here. And, I'm not without any experience.
I took the PE Exam in Pennsylvania because someone told me it would be nice to have just in case. But it was never useful and I let it lapse. However this is probably because of the nature of the work I was doing. I was never a consultant or expert witness in a jury trial, where the credential might be important. Rules my vary by state, for sure.
If you look at the Washington state court case, the WA law and your of state of Florida engineering laws you'll see Florida seems similar.
If you were working for me and you did that you would get a stern warning to never to that again!
Once again, we are only talking about the title of "engineer", not P.E. it has nothing to do with the services you offer, your capabilities, certifications, authorization etc. There is no baseline or logical reasoning for "in order to call yourself an engineer, you must be a P.E." My argument is simply that. I am an "engineer" and I will become a P.E once I take the test ( which I don't need)
To be honest with you, most engineers, including the P.Es have never engineered anything! Think about that: reusing the calculations, technology, etc. what others initially created, found, built...we are not really engineering anything.Really? It seems to be standard practice now. What is your reasoning? (Not arguing, just hoping to learn something.)
