bluecollar84
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Who uses UF wire to wire wall sconces or flood lights on outside wall from indoor switch location ?
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Who uses UF wire to wire wall sconces or flood lights on outside wall from indoor switch location ?
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Only the clueless or those that ran out of NM.
Any outdoor wiring needs to be rated for outdoor wet location and is a outdoor light and the wires in that outdoor box outdoors ? Goes to show you don't know what your talking about buddy
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Any outdoor wiring needs to be rated for outdoor wet location and is a outdoor light and the wires in that outdoor box outdoors ? Goes to show you don't know what your talking about buddy
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Not taking sides, but what about those cases where the NM comes directly out of the siding and the lamp mount covers them?
Not taking sides, but what about those cases where the NM comes directly out of the siding and the lamp mount covers them?
In most cases that is violation onto itself.
But honestly it is a weird area of the code. The code requires cables and conductors run in raceways outside to be wet location conductors. It does not do the same for enclosures.
Now lets say the code changes and says the conductors in a outdoor enclosure must be wet location listed conductors. Now you would have a situation with breakers or fuses in enclosures in outdoor locations that the NEC considers 'wet'. I think it would open a whole can of worms that should stay closed. No one is seeing failures with the situation as it is.
:huh::?:roll:
That would be a blatant code violation.You've never done a new build where the NM is pulled directly out of a hole in the plywood/siding and then the fixture goes over that?
http://images.meredith.com/diy/images/2008/12/p_SCR_130_20.jpg
http://cdn1.tmbi.com/TFH/Projects/FH06MAY_MOUNTL_01.JPG
That would be a blatant code violation.
Perhaps, but inspectors always used to let it slide in my area.
IMO its not much debatable with THWN, but much so when dealing with NM because the conductors are not marked.
But it makes discussing this other violation meaningless.
No idea what you are getting at.
We all agree NM is not listed for wet locations, it is specifically prohibited from use in raceways in wet locations.
On the other hand NM is not prohibited from enclosures in wet locations.
Perhaps, but I am willing to bet millions of homes are wired like that. I know mine is along with my old ones. That and the fact I've done it countless times without thinking.
One question. What section is this in violation of :ashamed1:
300.15 Boxes, Conduit Bodies, or Fittings —Where Required.
A box shall be installed at each outlet and switch
point for concealed knob-and-tube wiring.
Fittings and connectors shall be used only with the specific
wiring methods for which they are designed and listed.
Where the wiring method is conduit, tubing, Type AC
cable, Type MC cable, Type MI cable, nonmetallic-sheathed
cable, or other cables, a box or conduit body shall be installed
at each conductor splice point, outlet point, switch point, junction
point, termination point, or pull point, unless otherwise
permitted in 300.15(A) through (L).
(J) Luminaires. A box or conduit body shall not be required
where a luminaire is used as a raceway as permitted in 410.64.
Now lets say the code changes and says the conductors in a outdoor enclosure must be wet location listed conductors. Now you would have a situation with breakers or fuses in enclosures in outdoor locations that the NEC considers 'wet'. I think it would open a whole can of worms that should stay closed. No one is seeing failures with the situation as it is.
Perhaps, but inspectors always used to let it slide in my area.
Now it looks like at least one of those pictures you posted might have a box that complies with the above code section.
So those conductors are in an enclosure and the NEC does not specifically call for conductors contained inside enclosures in wet locations to be listed for wet locations.
Start with 300.15.........
And I agree- another pointless requirement that shouldn't see the light of day.
Done in a lot of places still doesn't make it compliant.
But in cases where no enclosure exists (flat vinyl with a hole) am I correct to say that its a wet location? The fixture does not actually seal against the vinyl mount.
I agree, however it has demonstrated that no actual danger exists.